Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Did you actually read the article? There's nothing ironic about it. Atherton actually getting involved in this at all is as cheeky as f**k [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Using the the ashes to hold CA to ransom for a pay deal might bite them on the arse now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Atherton actually getting involved in this at all is as cheeky as f**k [emoji23] Aye but he's doing it from the perspective of what went on in 94. It's not like he's hiding it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
same_ol_g35 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 My memory may be playing tricks after all these years. But was Atherton not actually cleared of the ball tampering charges at a later date? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 My memory may be playing tricks after all these years. But was Atherton not actually cleared of the ball tampering charges at a later date? Not to my recollection. You might be thinking of Inzamam vs England. Pakistan forfeited a test in protest - he was eventually cleared.Atherton wasn't, just offered some excuse about using dirt to keep his hands and the ball dry [emoji38]A tad hypocritical as I recall he and some England test players inferring Waqar was ball tampering in the 1992 (I think) series purely because they couldn't understand how he was managing to bowl consistently destructive inswinging Yorkers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
same_ol_g35 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Not to my recollection. You might be thinking of Inzamam vs England. Pakistan forfeited a test in protest - he was eventually cleared.Atherton wasn't, just offered some excuse about using dirt to keep his hands and the ball dry [emoji38]A tad hypocritical as I recall he and some England test players inferring Waqar was ball tampering in the 1992 (I think) series purely because they couldn't understand how he was managing to bowl consistently destructive inswinging Yorkers. Yeah, I could very well be getting mixed up with the Inzamam thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 In last session of play in Auckland NZ need to take 2 wickets to win, England 54 runs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 New Zealand win by an innings and 49 runs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 New Zealand win by an innings and 49 runs Trevor Bayliss has done wonders for the white ball game, but the test side has lost its way completely. Even if you give them the possible pass in Stoneman, there’s been a 3 and 5 batsman missing for the last three years. New coach, please. Jason Gillespie would by my pick, especially because it would piss off the Yorkshire mob. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 19 hours ago, peasy23 said: If Cricket Australia want to keep any shred of respect they should have withdrawn Smith from the rest of this match, replaced him with a sub fielder, and bat a man down in their second innings. The laws are quite clear that fair play starts with the captain, so he has to carry most of the blame imo. Payback for the Du Plessis affair during SA's last tour of Australia. The amount of humbug is staggering, there's only one direction to go once you've taken the moral highground - downwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackislekillie Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Trevor Bayliss has done wonders for the white ball game, but the test side has lost its way completely. Even if you give them the possible pass in Stoneman, there’s been a 3 and 5 batsman missing for the last three years. New coach, please. Jason Gillespie would by my pick, especially because it would piss off the Yorkshire mob. Agree with this but I think Gillespie might be headhunted by CA to replace Lehmann. I can't see how his position is tenable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Agree with this but I think Gillespie might be headhunted by CA to replace Lehmann. I can't see how his position is tenable. If he knew about it, agreed. It’s hard to overstate the damage this will do to their cricket team’s reputation. It’s glorious.In total fairness to Lehmann, it’s entirely conceivable that the players decided to do this on their own. I’d like to think that they did, rather than having instructions to cheat given to them. That said, this “senior” leadership group must presumably include the coach, otherwise what’s the point of it other than to undermine the coach?Although, on the other hand, Gillespie himself more than intimated that at least one playing member of that group had nothing to do with it, and is absolutely furious, so who knows?I’d be astonished if Smith, Warner et al. continue to be available for selection. If they are, there’s no chance a stand up guy like Gillespie takes that job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackislekillie Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I think CA will come down hard on those involved, including Lehmann, and I can envisage a total overhaul of the team and its ethos. Gillespie might well be the man to take that forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I think CA will come down hard on those involved, including Lehmann, and I can envisage a total overhaul of the team and its ethos. Gillespie might well be the man to take that forward. Hope not. I rather like Gillespie. I see Smith has resigned as captain of his IPL side. Pretty much unconscionable if he resigns that but keeps the Australian captaincy. The cynic in me says he’s trying to sacrifice the one to save the other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Hope not. I rather like Gillespie. I see Smith has resigned as captain of his IPL side. Pretty much unconscionable if he resigns that but keeps the Australian captaincy. The cynic in me says he’s trying to sacrifice the one to save the other. I doubt he'll be Australian captain for much longer. From what I've read/seen on the news here there is 100% disgust and outrage at what they've done. I still cannot believe they thought they could get away with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 When they talk about Warner and Smith stepping down are they talking about just the captaincy/vice captaincy or from international cricket as a whole? On the Smith issue I can't stand the guy, watching him bat with his trigger movement and all the touching of this that and the next thing irritates me far more than it should, but he is one of the worlds greatest batsmen and it would be sad to see such a talent have his international career brought to a premature end. No one to blame but himself mind.Wouldn't shed any tears over not seeing Warner play again though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I doubt he'll be Australian captain for much longer. From what I've read/seen on the news here there is 100% disgust and outrage at what they've done. I still cannot believe they thought they could get away with it. Surely this isn’t the first time? As Graeme Fowler pointed out, how thick must you be to rely on DRS and video replay for your job, but to also think you could get away with this on the field? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Savage Henry said: Trevor Bayliss has done wonders for the white ball game, but the test side has lost its way completely. Even if you give them the possible pass in Stoneman, there’s been a 3 and 5 batsman missing for the last three years. New coach, please. Jason Gillespie would by my pick, especially because it would piss off the Yorkshire mob. Every time England fail at something there's a clamour to focus all resources on making sure they succeed at whatever that thing was next time. That might be dealing with Australian pace, subcontinental spin, T20 or the world cup. Until the next failure The wretched 2015 World Cup campaign is an exception Trevor Bayliss is there because England stunk out the 2015 World cup and he's there to win the 2019 world cup in England (or at least come bloody close). Hard core test purists may say that the ODI world cup wasn't worth sacrificing a test match, never mind a series, for but having sunk three years into this project it seems crazy to lose their nerve with 13 months to go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Every time England fail at something there's a clamour to focus all resources on making sure they succeed at whatever that thing was next time. That might be dealing with Australian pace, subcontinental spin, T20 or the world cup. Until the next failure The wretched 2015 World Cup campaign is an exception Trevor Bayliss is there because England stunk out the 2015 World cup and he's there to win the 2019 world cup in England (or at least come bloody close). Hard core test purists may say that the ODI world cup wasn't worth sacrificing a test match, never mind a series, for but having sunk three years into this project it seems crazy to lose their nerve with 13 months to go. That’s fair. I make no apologies for enjoying test cricket more than the one dayers. In many respects the project has been a success, but I do fear for test cricket if this is the way forward. Surely it doesn’t have to be a case of either/or? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 38 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: That’s fair. I make no apologies for enjoying test cricket more than the one dayers. In many respects the project has been a success, but I do fear for test cricket if this is the way forward. Surely it doesn’t have to be a case of either/or? Obviously not but you can't prioritise everything Unless he changes his mind Bayliss is leaving after the world cup, hopefully as a winner, so that would be a natural time for the TCB to shift focus. If he's going anyway then it makes it easier to line up the next man in advance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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