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Not a fan of a lot of what this account says but it feels bang on here. The DPWT’s identity seems to be increasingly as a feeder for the PGAT. It was always the case to some extent but to effectively say to a lot of the dregs in America to come over and take some spots in Euro tournaments doesn’t quite sit right with me.
 

It’s the same as the ‘elevated event’ stuff - there’s no reason why the likes of Wentworth, maybe France or Italy and one of the Middle East tournaments couldn’t have those fields as well but it feels as if it’s the Scottish is the only one because most of the US players are over here the week leading up to the Open anyway.

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2 hours ago, Ignoramus said:

Not a fan of a lot of what this account says but it feels bang on here. The DPWT’s identity seems to be increasingly as a feeder for the PGAT. It was always the case to some extent but to effectively say to a lot of the dregs in America to come over and take some spots in Euro tournaments doesn’t quite sit right with me.
 

It’s the same as the ‘elevated event’ stuff - there’s no reason why the likes of Wentworth, maybe France or Italy and one of the Middle East tournaments couldn’t have those fields as well but it feels as if it’s the Scottish is the only one because most of the US players are over here the week leading up to the Open anyway.

Totally agree, this is absolutely going to stiffle talent coming through in Europe.  So we send the top ten elible from DP World tour to the PGA and in return we get 74 duffers from the PGA. 

One one hand this weakens the DP World tour and on the other hand it weakens the DP World tour.  

There are only 156 slots in pretty much every tour event, say all 74 US PGA duffers wish to come over for the bigger events....where does that leaves the likes of David Law, Connor Syme for example?

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5 hours ago, VictorOnopko said:

Really interested to see whether/how often Bob goes over to the PGA tour next year.  From one or two things he has said I doubt he'll do so full time even though he has a card as a top-10 player on the Euro tour.  Also, that is a horrible shirt.

 

I saw a few people suggesting that his recent caddy change may be due to him planning on giving the PGA Tour a proper bash next year. The new guy is Danny Willets ex caddy who has plenty of experience over there and wouldn’t have any issues with being based there. 

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1 hour ago, Caledonian1 said:

Totally agree, this is absolutely going to stiffle talent coming through in Europe.  So we send the top ten elible from DP World tour to the PGA and in return we get 74 duffers from the PGA. 

One one hand this weakens the DP World tour and on the other hand it weakens the DP World tour.  

There are only 156 slots in pretty much every tour event, say all 74 US PGA duffers wish to come over for the bigger events....where does that leaves the likes of David Law, Connor Syme for example?

Agree. This is a horrendous decision for European Tour players, and what about the guys on the Challenge Tour? 

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12 hours ago, Caledonian1 said:

Totally agree, this is absolutely going to stiffle talent coming through in Europe.  So we send the top ten elible from DP World tour to the PGA and in return we get 74 duffers from the PGA. 

One one hand this weakens the DP World tour and on the other hand it weakens the DP World tour.  

There are only 156 slots in pretty much every tour event, say all 74 US PGA duffers wish to come over for the bigger events....where does that leaves the likes of David Law, Connor Syme for example?

Syme, Law etc will get into events before any of the duffers from the PGA Tour, they will have full playing rights (assuming they keep their card) whereas the Yanks will only have associate privileges.

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2 hours ago, peasy23 said:

Syme, Law etc will get into events before any of the duffers from the PGA Tour, they will have full playing rights (assuming they keep their card) whereas the Yanks will only have associate privileges.

That's not what was quoted above "The DP World Tour has announced that all PGA Tour players ranked 126-200 in the FedEx Cup standings will get full status on DPWT for the following season."

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14 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

I saw a few people suggesting that his recent caddy change may be due to him planning on giving the PGA Tour a proper bash next year. The new guy is Danny Willets ex caddy who has plenty of experience over there and wouldn’t have any issues with being based there. 

That's interesting.  I really hope he goes and gives it a shot given that he's got the card for the full season - go and commit to it, and see what happens.  At his Dunhill links press conference he said stuff that made me think he wasn't going to go (or not full time) - chat about not wanting to give everything in his life up to golf, family and home life being important, etc. Thing is, unless he wins a Rolex / elevated event (which he almost did in the Scottish this year) he's unlikely to get a better chance than the full card for a year which he has right now.  Maybe he's still weighing it all up.

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3 hours ago, Caledonian1 said:

That's not what was quoted above "The DP World Tour has announced that all PGA Tour players ranked 126-200 in the FedEx Cup standings will get full status on DPWT for the following season."

Having Full Member status is a bit of a catch-all phrase, though, as there are umpteen "Exemption Categories" that players fit into.

It'll all depend on where the new "PGA failure" category gets placed - if it's above the current Category 10 (previous year's DP Tour Top 115 or whatever) there will undoubtedly be a bit of a stramash, but if it gets slotted in somewhere behind Category 14 (previous year's Top 20 on Challenge Tour), I can't see much of an issue.

As it happens, there's currently no Category 15, so that might be the solution right there...

https://www.europeantour.com/dpworld-tour/players/exemption-categories/

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Is there a case to be made for scrapping the European points list element for the Ryder cup and having the six automatic berths decided purely by world ranking? If the DP world tour is falling further behind the PGA tour, it could hamstring future European sides.

 

In practice:

 

2023 - Fleetwood gets in automatically over McIntyre. 
 

2021 - Lowry gets in automatically over Weisberger

 

2018 - No change

 

2016 - No change 

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On 24/10/2023 at 21:51, Donathan said:

Is there a case to be made for scrapping the European points list element for the Ryder cup and having the six automatic berths decided purely by world ranking? If the DP world tour is falling further behind the PGA tour, it could hamstring future European sides.

 

In practice:

 

2023 - Fleetwood gets in automatically over McIntyre. 
 

2021 - Lowry gets in automatically over Weisberger

 

2018 - No change

 

2016 - No change 

There is a case, yes - but that would be the final admission that the "DP World Tour" is second-rate and practically irrelevant.  It's most certainly a feeder tour now.

Funnily enough, now that Aberg has raced further up to reflect his form, this year's team were basically the Top 12 Euros in the OWGR as things stand right now - except for N Hojgaard instead of Meronk.  Personally I'd just make it the top 8 Europeans in the world rankings and 4 captain's picks in future.

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Disappointing final round for Bob, out on the final group but shaves the hole with lots of putts and ends on 14 under where he started and tied for 6th.

Great week for Scott Jamieson though, he came in right on the bubble for keeping his card, but a back 9 of 31 today after a +2 front 9 sees him finish in a tie for 3rd.

Playoff between Campillo and Valimaki for the win.

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19 minutes ago, peasy23 said:

Disappointing final round for Bob, out on the final group but shaves the hole with lots of putts and ends on 14 under where he started and tied for 6th.

Great week for Scott Jamieson though, he came in right on the bubble for keeping his card, but a back 9 of 31 today after a +2 front 9 sees him finish in a tie for 3rd.

Playoff between Campillo and Valimaki for the win.

Only 1 more tournament to go? Before the Tour Championship 

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2 minutes ago, lichtie23 said:

Only 1 more tournament to go? Before the Tour Championship 

Yes, but the season ends today as far as tour cards go, only the top 71 or so will play in the Nedbank in 2 weeks time.

Valimaki wins the playoff with a birdie on 18.

Marc Warren finishes outside the top 116 required to keep his card.

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