AngusTheBull Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: Appreciate I put pessimistic comments on forum, but I prefer to call them realistic. Just look at the facts. We've never beaten a tier one nation at world cup since 1991. Exception of Oz, (and Italy) away from Scotland we haven't beat tier one since 2010 I think (Croke Park). Ireland players go onto pitch 100% sure they will beat us which is so powerful in modern day rugby. Consistently we are getting swatted aside to easily by physical sides who relish phase play.. As I say we aren't very good.. Not entirely true... we beat Italy at the 2007 World Cup for one. Also beat Argentina in Argentina last year. I agree with the physicality side. We just get walked over up front so then stick it wide when it’s never on. Felt we were too slow setting the forward drives, it kept on giving Ireland time to set their defence and so we just kept running into a prepared wall. Ireland just had to defend well/effectively and wait for our mistakes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusTheBull Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 We also seem to have a really bad problem of starting matches badly/slowly and letting other teams gain an advantage. Read somewhere that we have conceded the first try in 8 of the past 11 games which makes us chase the game from the start. Even today, when I felt we actually started ok, we’d conceded a try within 5 minutes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthammer Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 hours ago, The Nightfly said: I have gone for big winning margins for Italy and England. +28 and +70. Just noticed Italy won by 25. As you will have seen from my predictions, i know even less about rugby than the little i know about football or horse racing. Glad i'm not a betting man I need a couple of correct try scorers to redeem myself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) What were people expecting? Scotland regularly get well beaten by better teams especially away from home. They'll toil but get past the other three teams, Japan even maybe by 1-3 pt win and then hammered by the All Blacks in the QFs. Then a lot of hope/optimism for the Six Nations and then again absolutely destroyed by the likes of Wales and Ireland. Then talk of a talented team gelling for the next WC, few Six Nations and it'll end in tears as it has for the past 15-20 years. Edited September 22, 2019 by Kejan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Is this the same Tonga that shipped 90 odd points to NZ before the World Cup? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Not entirely true... we beat Italy at the 2007 World Cup for one. Also beat Argentina in Argentina last year. I agree with the physicality side. We just get walked over up front so then stick it wide when it’s never on. Felt we were too slow setting the forward drives, it kept on giving Ireland time to set their defence and so we just kept running into a prepared wall. Ireland just had to defend well/effectively and wait for our mistakes.In fairness that all Ireland and Wales ever have to do against Scotland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 What were people expecting? Scotland regularly get well beaten by better teams especially away from home. They'll toil but get past the other three teams, Japan even maybe by 1-3 pt win and then hammered by the All Blacks in the QFs. Then a lot of hope/optimism for the Six Nations and then again absolutely destroyed by the likes of Wales and Ireland. Then talk of a talented team gelling for the next WC, few Six Nations and it'll end in tears as it has for the past 15-20 years. Agree with all this mate. What frustrates me is how easily Wales and Ireland keep doing this to Scotland, Townsend never learns. Under Andy Robinson we were very tough but had nothing out in the backs. Id take him back as a Forwards coach and put an experienced Kiwi as head coach. Frustrating thing is we had one with cotter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, hearthammer said: Serious question : Why do england fans and supporters wear union jack suits and wave union jack flags when england are playing at any sport ?? They have their own flag, but seem to adopt the union garb as being their own. Saw some guys wearing the suits before and at the start of the game. Always have done, always will. It's either ignorance or arrogance. Take your pick. (could be both, of course) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 41 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Agree with all this mate. What frustrates me is how easily Wales and Ireland keep doing this to Scotland, Townsend never learns. Under Andy Robinson we were very tough but had nothing out in the backs. Id take him back as a Forwards coach and put an experienced Kiwi as head coach. Frustrating thing is we had one with cotter Yes, I think a Kiwi or even Saffer coach is required. Try something new. There's some decent players there, but Townsend has a hint of Derek McInnes about him - shites it in the big games. Odd selections too for the big games. Don't know what you thought of Cotter, but I think he did an excellent job and would have kept him on - or did he want to leave himself? Felt he was pushed rather than quit himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 So, when's the pro14 kicking off then....That was thoroughly disappointing, we started really well good kicks in behind, then first attacking line out we over complicate things (FFS some players had even touched the ball yet) make a mess of the move, we end up back in our own 22 and Ireland score.All the tries were our mistakes, Ireland didn't really look a threat with the ball, we just gave them the opportunity to score time and again.Luckily we have Samoa (by a distance the 3rd best of the islanders, and a shadow of the side of the late nineties) and Russia before we play Japan. I'm hoping for wholesale changes, hopefully guys like fagerson Cummings, Bradbury Ritchie price will inject some pace and go forward ball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Yes, I think a Kiwi or even Saffer coach is required. Try something new. There's some decent players there, but Townsend has a hint of Derek McInnes about him - shites it in the big games. Odd selections too for the big games. Don't know what you thought of Cotter, but I think he did an excellent job and would have kept him on - or did he want to leave himself? Felt he was pushed rather than quit himself.He was pushed due to GT threatening to leave Scotland so cotters contract wasn't renewed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
come on shire Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 It doesn't matter how good Ireland are or how they played. We could have won if we turned up and performed. This same group of players got 'joint 2nd' in Cotter's final 6N season then got 3rd in Toony's 1st 6N campaign. Therefore it's not ability but something 'deeper'. Turning up to a World Cup and having no steel in defence and offering nothing up front is a disgrace. I'll go to every Scotland home game and cheer them till I'm hoarse. However something needs fixed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 It doesn't matter how good Ireland are or how they played. We could have won if we turned up and performed. This same group of players got 'joint 2nd' in Cotter's final 6N season then got 3rd in Toony's 1st 6N campaign. Therefore it's not ability but something 'deeper'. Turning up to a World Cup and having no steel in defence and offering nothing up front is a disgrace. I'll go to every Scotland home game and cheer them till I'm hoarse. However something needs fixed. Yes Toony needs to go, get corkerhill in as forwards coach and beg cotter to come back. The players are there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Aussie Reece Hodge has been cited for his challenge in the Fiji match that somehow went unnoticed/unpunished at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Aussie Reece Hodge has been cited for his challenge in the Fiji match that somehow went unnoticed/unpunished at the time.Looking at it again it was a f**k up by the TMO/touch judge as they had a better view than the ref to spot it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Looking at it again it was a f**k up by the TMO/touch judge as they had a better view than the ref to spot it.Ridiculous that it wasn't picked up at the time by either of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 The Australians are reaction well to ithttps://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/rugby/rugby-world-cup/reece-hodge-citing-tackle-video-phil-kearns-savages-world-rugby-wallabies-v-fiji/news-story/e2ab86866098caf9367faf596c3c7088?__twitter_impression=trueHis panel will be chaired by Nigel Hampton, QC (New Zealand), former international coach Frank Hadden (Scotland) and former referee José Luis Rolandi (Argentina).Also Argentina winger Matías Moroni has been issued with a Citing Commissioner Warning (CCW) by Citing Commissioner Murray Whyte (Ireland) for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.27 (hair pulling) at the end of Argentina’s Rugby World Cup 2019 match against France on 21 September, 2019.The CCW will remain on the player’s record to be dealt with in the event that the player accumulates three yellow cards and/or Citing Commissioner Warnings during the tournament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 That is Watson's tournament over with Bradbury replacing him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 That is Watson's tournament over with Bradbury replacing him. Given how badly our forwards carried the ball on Saturday, he should be straight in the team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 19 hours ago, Kejan said: What were people expecting? Scotland regularly get well beaten by better teams especially away from home. They'll toil but get past the other three teams, Japan even maybe by 1-3 pt win and then hammered by the All Blacks in the QFs. Then a lot of hope/optimism for the Six Nations and then again absolutely destroyed by the likes of Wales and Ireland. Then talk of a talented team gelling for the next WC, few Six Nations and it'll end in tears as it has for the past 15-20 years. There’s a significant difference between being overcome by a better and more clinical team having competed with them, as in the defeats to Ireland in the 18 & 19 Six Nations, and the abject humiliation of a scoreline and performance yesterday where they didn’t even have to work for it but could easily have won by more. No one should be surprised by the former but no one should expect the latter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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