Rugby Union

[Detournement]

The main positive from tonight is that Poite is retired from international rugby. 

Matt Fagerson had a cracker of a game. Townsend has big choices to make in the backrow. Only Ritchie at 6 is a sure starter.

[Detournement]

17 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

Some of the tactical changes by the coaching team, and decision making on the pitch, were utterly abysmal

It still paled in comparison to the Edinburgh game. Winger gets injured, change the 10. Don't score against 14 men for 20 minutes. Vellacot kicking the ball away for no reason on attack in the 75th minute.

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Detournement

[ggrugby]

anyone has seen wasps red card? Jacob Umaga vs Toulouse?

[peasy23]

Leinster have dished out an absolute paddling to Montpelier this afternoon. They lost 28-0 in the earlier reverse fixture.

[peasy23]

anyone has seen wasps red card? Jacob Umaga vs Toulouse?

Strange one, I know the contact is head to head, but looks more accidental than anything. I don't think for a minute he has deliberately tried to tackle him with his napper.

[Mark Connolly]

3 hours ago, peasy23 said:

4 hours ago, ggrugby said:

anyone has seen wasps red card? Jacob Umaga vs Toulouse?

Strange one, I know the contact is head to head, but looks more accidental than anything. I don't think for a minute he has deliberately tried to tackle him with his napper.

Similar to Rory Sutherland last week. It's a red because it ticks all the boxes, and it's the risk they run when they try to wrap upright.

Like you I don't think it's deliberate head on head, but it's really poor technique

[peasy23]

Similar to Rory Sutherland last week. It's a red because it ticks all the boxes, and it's the risk they run when they try to wrap upright.
Like you I don't think it's deliberate head on head, but it's really poor technique

Agree with that, it's dreadful technique, lucky he hasn't come off worse himself.

[AngusTheBull]

On 15/01/2022 at 19:31, Detournement said:

It still paled in comparison to the Edinburgh game. Winger gets injured, change the 10. Don't score against 14 men for 20 minutes. Vellacot kicking the ball away for no reason on attack in the 75th minute.

 

Went to this at the weekend there. If you only score three points in the second half then you can't really have any complaints about losing.

 

However, I still don't understand how Irish's second try wasn't ruled out for crossing given Creevy (clearly imo) took out the two covering Edinburgh defenders to give the Irish scorer a free run in. Even the Irish supporters around me were fairly baffled that was awarded given the ref looked at it on the big screen though he did seem to be guessing most of the game, particularly in the scrums.

22 hours ago, peasy23 said:

Leinster have dished out an absolute paddling to Montpelier this afternoon. They lost 28-0 in the earlier reverse fixture.

The 28-0 reverse was awarded to Montpellier after Leinster had a COVID outbreak.

Seems Montpellier took the traditional French approach of stuffing the European away games in this one.

[peasy23]

The 28-0 reverse was awarded to Montpellier after Leinster had a COVID outbreak.
Seems Montpellier took the traditional French approach of stuffing the European away games in this one.

Had a look later and it was pretty much a second and third string Montpellier team. They are at home to Exeter next week so definitely not guaranteed a top 8 finish. Like English football teams who regularly chuck away matches in Europe, I find that approach very strange.

[Detournement]

16 hours ago, AngusTheBull said:

Went to this at the weekend there. If you only score three points in the second half then you can't really have any complaints about losing.

 

However, I still don't understand how Irish's second try wasn't ruled out for crossing given Creevy (clearly imo) took out the two covering Edinburgh defenders to give the Irish scorer a free run in. Even the Irish supporters around me were fairly baffled that was awarded given the ref looked at it on the big screen though he did seem to be guessing most of the game, particularly in the scrums.

London Irish were doing Glasgow Celtic levels of complaining any time a decision went against them. The referee was very weak and that try and the final scrum penalty were both bottle jobs under the pressure of their non stop moaning. He also gave 3 or 4 free kicks to Edinburgh at scrums in the second half where they should have had a penalty. 

Even with all that putting Van Der Walt to 10 cost Edinburgh the game. 

 

[John Lambies Doos]

What do Glasgow need to do next week to make knockouts. Is it a case of any win will do, or are they relying on results?

[Ignoramus]

England squad 

[honestly united]

42 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

What do Glasgow need to do next week to make knockouts. Is it a case of any win will do, or are they relying on results?

top 8 are through, so a win guarantee's last 16 (unless Montpellier win with a bonus and Clermont and Sale win), or getting a better result than Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys and Northampton should do also be enough as we are 8th already

[John Lambies Doos]

top 8 are through, so a win guarantee's last 16 (unless Montpellier win with a bonus and Clermont and Sale win), or getting a better result than Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys and Northampton should do also be enough as we are 8th already

Cheers, can't see Clermont-Ferrand winning at Ulster, so win should be enough.

[honestly united]

14 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

17 hours ago, honestly united said:

top 8 are through, so a win guarantee's last 16 (unless Montpellier win with a bonus and Clermont and Sale win), or getting a better result than Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys and Northampton should do also be enough as we are 8th already

Cheers, can't see Clermont-Ferrand winning at Ulster, so win should be enough.

9-11 drop into the Challenge cup so barring some freak results we have another game at least

[Ignoramus]

Scotland squad for 6N. Hastings being left out a surprise?

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

Ben White and @Detournement's shout of Andy Christie the surprises for me, as well as Hutchinson who I'm glad is getting another chance (though I doubt he'll play). You'd have to imagine that Hastings has an injury as otherwise you're looking at Kinghorn for 10, which is obviously a big step up compared to doing it for Edinburgh. Maybe a Toony moment though as there's no reason he couldn't have brought Thompson or Van der Walt in if Hastings was injured. 

Would like to see a bit of a change in the centre mix but Harris is too key to the defence so it'll be Redpath and Johnson scrapping to play alongside him I'd imagine. Bradbury being in form and Christie declaring means, alongside Darge, Bayliss and Haining's occasional bafflingly good performance, we have gone in a year from relying on Graham and Thomson to having 5 good options to compliment the first choice. TH is the only major worry for me but hope Zander stays fit and calm. 

[GAD]

I just can't see Hastings being left out unless it's an injury or some kind of falling out, especially as no other specialist 10 has been named. Christie has been on the radar for a while and has been good for Sarries so don't see him as too much of a surprise to be honest. Ben White I had to Google. Toony loves a random scrum half.

It's a pretty young squad anyway. To be honest, I'm not sure I would have disposed of Maitland just yet, I'd still have him in there and I think that's a bit rough. I'm not convinced any of the other wingers apart from Duhan are better than him yet, and, while building for the WC is important, it's the 6 nations and I'd quite like us to win it one of these days!

ETA, just noticed Fraser Brown is out as well. Probably less of a surprise, but still a good experienced player. Would have probably had Kebble in as well.

Edited January 19, 2022 by GAD

[Detournement]

Kebble has been pish recently. Schoeman, Bhatti and Sutherland are ahead of him. 

I agree with Toony on most of this for a change. That squint line out on Saturday night was the final straw with Brown for me. A force in defense and in the scrum at his peak but injuries and a regular bottle jobs meant that wasn't often. Sad to see Maitland not involved but Rowe is the better option now. 

George Horne only has himself to blame. The guy does interested in doing the basics of being a scrum half. He owes whatever career he has had to Dave Rennie. Vellacot does not fill me with confidence so it'll be interesting to see White if he gets a chance. 

Christie joining up is good. We've got real competition in the backrow right through the next two world cups. 

 

 

[GAD]

8 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Kebble has been pish recently. Schoeman, Bhatti and Sutherland are ahead of him. 

I agree with Toony on most of this for a change. That squint line out on Saturday night was the final straw with Brown for me. A force in defense and in the scrum at his peak but injuries and a regular bottle jobs meant that wasn't often. Sad to see Maitland not involved but Rowe is the better option now. 

George Horne only has himself to blame. The guy does interested in doing the basics of being a scrum half. He owes whatever career he has had to Dave Rennie. Vellacot does not fill me with confidence so it'll be interesting to see White if he gets a chance. 

Christie joining up is good. We've got real competition in the backrow right through the next two world cups. 

 

 

You think Rowe is a good option? I've not seen him play much so I'm not arguing either way, but us he pushing for a start? I always thought Kebble was a bit like Haining, in that he always looked better for Scotland, but can't really argue with the three ahead of him I suppose. Horne, I agree with, he's not kicked on and basic stuff like box kicking is so poor he just can't be trusted now.