Jeff Venom Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) I watched the Irish broadcast of the game yesterday and Rob Kearney Matt Williams and Shane Horgan were tripping over themselves in the studio to back the TMO decision. Possibly because they knew it's good for Ireland over the championship, but I found it absolutely wild as they'd have been the exact opposite had Ireland been on the end of it. Edited February 11 by Jeff Venom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Watched the highlights show yesterday, and they highlighted a couple of massive missed chances when Scotland were on the French line. At the end of the first half when they were down to 14, Finn threw a short pass to Duhan who was tackled when it was a 5 v 2 out wide and the chance was lost. On the last play there was only one French defender to the right of where the play was, but no Scottish player ever looked that way and it would almost certainly have been a try. Regardless of the tmo at the end, this was the worst decision of the game, the French try doesn't happen if the knock on is called here. The French player even stopped for a second expecting the whistle to go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 19 hours ago, Jeff Venom said: I watched the Irish broadcast of the game yesterday and Rob Kearney Matt Williams and Shane Horgan were tripping over themselves in the studio to back the TMO decision. Possibly because they knew it's good for Ireland over the championship, but I found it absolutely wild as they'd have been the exact opposite had Ireland been on the end of it. Matt Williams still hasn’t forgiven us for exposing the fact he was an absolute imposter of a coach. Horgan and Kearney are a bit more odd- they are part of the Irish generation who have a massive chip on their shoulder towards us, despite the fact they were almost totally dominant at club and international level. The Irish are so humble though, and they are proud of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Silvio Tattiescone Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Quote Scottish Rugby has called on the sport's governing body to publicly acknowledge that a game-defining mistake was made in the last seconds of Scotland's Six Nations loss to France. In an email to World Rugby, the SRU say the integrity of the tournament was compromised by an apparent U-turn from the officials. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/68282213 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/68282213 Waste of time imo. How many times have WR said one of their officials was definitely wrong? They did with Joubert. Have there been any others? Given all the stuff during/after the World cup and the abuse referees got I'd be surprised if they didn't publicly back the officials. If WR hang them out to dry it'll be open season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 The commentators reeled in their responses after game Wayne Barnes has changed the way people react even if decisions horrendous 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 11/02/2024 at 19:13, Jeff Venom said: I watched the Irish broadcast of the game yesterday and Rob Kearney Matt Williams and Shane Horgan were tripping over themselves in the studio to back the TMO decision. Possibly because they knew it's good for Ireland over the championship, but I found it absolutely wild as they'd have been the exact opposite had Ireland been on the end of it. Two irishmen and a man who makes money from being on irish tv 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual Insanity Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Left Back said: Waste of time imo. They know it's a waste of time and they know nothing will come of it but if they took it lying down it would just be acquiescing to our general treatment in international rugby. It might change nothing but we have to at least fight our corner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 As an absolute minimum, I’d like to see a rule change where a game can’t end when there is significant doubt on whether a try was scored or not. Surely the “fair” solution would have been for Scotland to get a scrum 5 and then play one more phase? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: As an absolute minimum, I’d like to see a rule change where a game can’t end when there is significant doubt on whether a try was scored or not. Surely the “fair” solution would have been for Scotland to get a scrum 5 and then play one more phase? Where do you draw the line? What if the 8 picked it from the back of the scrum then the same scenario of a melee of bodies obscuring a try ensued? Do you then keep repeating? The game lasts 80 minutes. Can’t have arbitrary extensions although I do think I recall a game being restarted with a scrum after time when the ref was unsure about something. Can’t remember the details though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 39 minutes ago, Left Back said: Where do you draw the line? What if the 8 picked it from the back of the scrum then the same scenario of a melee of bodies obscuring a try ensued? Do you then keep repeating? The game lasts 80 minutes. Can’t have arbitrary extensions although I do think I recall a game being restarted with a scrum after time when the ref was unsure about something. Can’t remember the details though. I’d be more tempted to agree with you if the game ended at exactly 80 minutes like an ice hockey or basketball game but it’s 80 minutes + however long it takes for the ball to go out of play and even at that, a penalty is allowed to be taken if awarded (and even if they kick into touch, the lineout and ensuing play can go ahead too). IMO there should be 3 possible verdicts for the TMO. On-field decision is confirmed, on-field decision stands, decision is overturned. Decision can only be confirmed or overturned if we have conclusive evidence that the on-field decision was correct or wrong. Anything else (like Saturday) leads to the decision standing, but I don’t think the game should be allowed to end when that happens. Instead we restart with a scrum 5 to Scotland, from which they either score a try and win, or France get the ball back, hoof it into touch and win. If it has to go to the TMO again then the process would be repeated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 52 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: I’d be more tempted to agree with you if the game ended at exactly 80 minutes like an ice hockey or basketball game but it’s 80 minutes + however long it takes for the ball to go out of play and even at that, a penalty is allowed to be taken if awarded (and even if they kick into touch, the lineout and ensuing play can go ahead too). IMO there should be 3 possible verdicts for the TMO. On-field decision is confirmed, on-field decision stands, decision is overturned. Decision can only be confirmed or overturned if we have conclusive evidence that the on-field decision was correct or wrong. Anything else (like Saturday) leads to the decision standing, but I don’t think the game should be allowed to end when that happens. Instead we restart with a scrum 5 to Scotland, from which they either score a try and win, or France get the ball back, hoof it into touch and win. If it has to go to the TMO again then the process would be repeated. The game only continues over 80 in the event of an act of foul play. This stops the team in the lead from ending the game by deliberately committing an offence. That’s an entirely different scenario to running out of time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Still can't believe this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 27 minutes ago, Left Back said: The game only continues over 80 in the event of an act of foul play. This stops the team in the lead from ending the game by deliberately committing an offence. That’s an entirely different scenario to running out of time. The game goes over 80 all the time though. It continues until the ball goes dead (unless doing so causes a penalty to be awarded). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I have no idea why people are being obtuse here. We all know the game doesn’t end exactly when the clock hits 80. That doesn’t set a precedent for continuing indefinitely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ewanandmoreagain Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I was amazed to learn the TMO , no I was amazed to learn some players have smart gumshields to assist with the assessment of head injuries ! Something they have got right! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Maybe a touch against the grain here but since I just read yet another "should have had the game sewn up anyway" take, I am 100% firmly.against this patter. Not only are France an excellent team who put on some unbelievable rugby in the very recent WC, we are Scotland. We are going to be in tight games, even before you consider that this was v France. We have the same right as anyone else to come out on the winning side of a tight, nervy match. Scotland done everything that was required of them to deliver a win in that match. Handwaving away a wildly wrong and incompetent refereeing call for some reason makes absolute no sense. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 39 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Maybe a touch against the grain here but since I just read yet another "should have had the game sewn up anyway" take, I am 100% firmly.against this patter. Not only are France an excellent team who put on some unbelievable rugby in the very recent WC, we are Scotland. We are going to be in tight games, even before you consider that this was v France. We have the same right as anyone else to come out on the winning side of a tight, nervy match. Scotland done everything that was required of them to deliver a win in that match. Handwaving away a wildly wrong and incompetent refereeing call for some reason makes absolute no sense. Correct. Not every game is won in the first half a la Wales. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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