LongTimeLurker Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, senorsoupe said: ...It's especially bad in the context of the United States where it's either all Joe Biden's fault or all Donald Trump's fault Just shows how self-centred they are that they think what their political leaders do always makes the pivotal difference. Hamas have been building up their military prowess to this point for years and that means every so often regardless of who is US president they'll be launching missles at Israeli cities and trying to infiltrate. The last time the Israelis tried a big invasion-style operation they found it very hard going against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. They found out the hard way that they have a generation that grew up with playstations in their parents' basement, who are really not that keen on fighting kids who grew up in refugee camps. It's not the 60s or 70s any more when both side grew up in tough spartan environments. Their answer has been high tech solutions like Iron Dome so they do not need to go in and control the ground missiles are being fired from and simply pulverising the Gaza Strip into submission from fighter jets and helicopters. If Iron Dome can now be overwhelmed by firing huge numbers of missiles simultaneously, and they ever wound up fighting an opponent with the sort of anti-tank and anti-aircraft weaponry the Russians and Ukrainians have access to... Hezbollah and the Iranians aren't going to be busy with the Syrian conflict forever so as far as I can see they really do need to find a viable peace deal but the way their politics work right now that's a one-way ticket to political oblivion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Pens_Dark said: One of the problems with social media is direct access to some really harrowing content. We have seen it in Ukraine and we are now seeing it here. Not to get too deep about it but it makes me think about the world I've brought a child in to. Never mind air fairy heaven and hell tales, there is genuinely hell on earth in certain areas. On the slightly brighter side of the coin, this exposes everyone, particularly the younger generations, to the horrors of war (without having to live it) - and should give much more reason to push for peace, and a better world overall. If we don't see the shocking content that is coming from Israel/Gaza, Ukraine, etc.; nobody knows what it looks like. It may be a "problem" of social media, or it may be one of it's benefits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Bernard Cowan from Glasgow has been confirmed to have died in the attack. Ten British citizens are confirmed to have died. https://news.stv.tv/west-central/glasgow-man-among-britons-dead-after-hamas-attack-in-israel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Pack Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Some HAMAS mouthpiece denying that they killed any civilians at the music festival on Sky News. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Old Pack said: Some HAMAS mouthpiece denying that they killed any civilians at the music festival on Sky News. The problem with the post truth world we are in today is that half the folk hearing it will think its lies and the other half will think - Aha, I knew it wasn't them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, Old Pack said: Some HAMAS mouthpiece denying that they killed any civilians at the music festival on Sky News. If it is PIJ then they will be correct - Hamas disassociated themselves from PIJ in 2012. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 The PIJ maybe just happened to see the hole in the fence by chance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, eez-eh said: As grim as what’s already happened is, you’d think so-called civilisation would be a wee bit more cautious about a country announcing that it’s going to “effectively obliterate” a densely populated area of 2.5 million people. Nope, “full support” all the way. Sieges are only disgraceful war crimes that the International Community Must Universally Condemn when white Europeans are the ones under the gun. Ditto the two-tier handling of refugees from conflict zones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, ClydeTon said: On the slightly brighter side of the coin, this exposes everyone, particularly the younger generations, to the horrors of war (without having to live it) - and should give much more reason to push for peace, and a better world overall. Pretty sure I saw an advert on ITV X for a new series of Big Brother. I reckon that’s likely to grab far more of the attention of the ‘younger generations’. Spoiler Apologies for the sarcasm, flippancy and cynicism. I wish people, particularly younger people, would pay more attention to these events but I don’t see it happening unfortunately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I just can't get my head round Zelenskyy's reaction to this. I mean, I understand why he's done it but still.... the brass neck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pens_Dark Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Pretty sure I saw an advert on ITV X for a new series of Big Brother. I reckon that’s likely to grab far more of the attention of the ‘younger generations’. Hide contents Apologies for the sarcasm, flippancy and cynicism. I wish people, particularly younger people, would pay more attention to these events but I don’t see it happening unfortunately. I think it’s the opposite to be honest. Apps like telegram make horror content like this readily available and easy to share around. It happened when I was at school and it will be happening now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, Pens_Dark said: I think it’s the opposite to be honest. Apps like telegram make horror content like this readily available and easy to share around. It happened when I was at school and it will be happening now. Sharing horror content for cheap thrills and learning from it are different things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, sparky88 said: I just can't get my head round Zelenskyy's reaction to this. I mean, I understand why he's done it but still.... the brass neck In an existential struggle your enemy's enemy is your friend. Iran has been backing Hamas alongside supplying Russia with drones and missiles. Israel has been a bit reticent about helping Ukraine, it's a no lose situation for Ukraine to back Israel given the situation they're in, also in regards to the doubts about continued American support. Moral nuances go out of the window when the shit hits the fan. Edited October 9, 2023 by welshbairn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Hamas have said they will execute a hostage every time Israel targets a civilian house without warning. They’ve said they’ll release audio and video of the executions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: Hamas have said they will execute a hostage every time Israel targets a civilian house without warning. They’ve said they’ll release audio and video of the executions. Was about to say the very same. Looks like the Israelis stopping roof knocks in Gaza has consequences now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TommyDickFingers said: Looks like the Israelis stopping roof knocks in Gaza has consequences now If roof knocks means bombing apartment buildings, when did that stop? Edited October 9, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby82 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 It's a bit weird listening to that IDF guy with the Glaswegian accent talking about obliterating Hamas, wonder if he's a guid Ranjurz man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pens_Dark Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Sharing horror content for cheap thrills and learning from it are different things. Yes but your point was that they wouldn’t pay attention to it. For what it’s worth I think you’re doing the yoof a bit of an injustice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If roof knocks means bombing apartment blocks, when did that stop? The knocks are a warning to evacute a building before it was destroyed. I didn't say they stopped anything other than that. Edited October 9, 2023 by TommyDickFingers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If roof knocks means bombing apartment buildings, when did that stop? I could be wrong but isn't a roof knock a relatively lightweight munition to act as a warning that the building will shortly be destroyed and giving the occupants time to evacuate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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