carpetmonster Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: Is she not a massive TERF as well? Maybe, maybe not. She went to bat for Rowling, but explained that "I think a lot of the attacks on JK Rowling are really because she spoke out for Jews and against Jeremy Corbyn and antisemitism". Whether that's wilful denial of reality or just attention-seeking monomania speaking is a question for a highly qualified shrink. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 19 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Baddiel positions himself as an anti racism expert after doing blackface. He also has a long history of racism against gypsy travellers, and also called a GRT group antisemitic for having a holocaust memorial flyer that didn’t specifically mention the Jews. The guy is a complete c**t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) I'm sure David Baddiel's viewpoint is as worthwhile as anyone's on these matters , what baffles me about him is why it appears to be seen as more important and therefore garners him endless media opportunities .? He appears to have no descernible talent other than occasional appearing as the unfunny half of a comedy double act, although to be fair to him he has done that twice. Edited October 12, 2023 by kennie makevin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, kennie makevin said: I'm sure David Baddiel's viewpoint is as worthwhile as anyone's on these matters It isn't; he's a c**t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 hours ago, coprolite said: Like all law it protects the interests of the legislators first and foremost but there is still an established basis in treaties and the like. The right to self determination is an established right in international law. It hasn't always been but has been a principle of the UN since it was founded. A founding principle that the UN has dinghied since just about day 1 of its existence, with the veto power of the Security Council states giving licence to do so. Quote Self determination doesn't necessarily require a state though. It does, as you say, require a territory. So when the likes of Stan say something along the lines of "clearly the Jews/Palestinians have a right to a homeland" he is speaking shite (legally). A British Jew or a British ethnic Palestinian living in London or New York has no more of a right to a homeland where Israel currently is than I do. I find it hard to see the argument for a moral right either. Stan's argument about why Jews should have a homeland could easily apply to Roma. They don't have the benefit of their history being in abook that's culturally significant to the ruling elite though. Do they have a right to a single territory based on a two millenia previous occupation? I'm not saying that Israel shouldn't exist or shouldn't be a home state for Israeli Jews but that assigning a state as a homeland for people worldwide just on the basis of common culture is dumb. This is less obviously shite than the legal position though and there are arguments. If the Roma/whatever term those groups prefer start to organise on the principle that they require a territorial state to exercise self-determination, over the course of decades, then they absolutely do have the same right and existing states should respect and adjust to that new reality. Of course, they wouldn't. Whether that new sovereign entity chooses to grant the same rights to co-nationals living around the world is up to them really. The grounds for Israel and Palestinian arguments may be shaky - but they're no less shaky that the foundations of any traditional, Western European nation as and when some group has the temerity to contest that territory. As we've seen often enough on these islands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 13 hours ago, Tony Ferrino said: Stan Collymore making more sense than most journos has racked on a few more seconds. Won't be having any Collymore slander. He's a good man, and has been for a number of years now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 43 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Riley is desperate to make herself be seen as a victim. The other night 'she was going for baklava' (look! I'm eating an Arab food, don't you dare accuse me of not trying to be inclusive) and some folks waving a flag terrified her so much she had to phone the polis. Bonus points for the 'our Ukrainian friends' addition to virtue-signalling. The morally upright update to the 'some of my best friends are...' gambit that 2020s Britain deserves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, RuMoore said: They're two people I often see referenced on here but very rarely ever see anything that they've said and I'm on Twitter quite a lot. I can't recall seeing anything detestable from them in the past decade, I'm going to go out on a limb and through judging the posters that have mentioned them presume they weren't a fan of Corbyn? Some people just absolutley love to consume content that they know will rile them up, a good ol' hate read. Rachel Riley is a despicable human being and always has been Edited October 12, 2023 by Jives Miguel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, 101 said: Israel have now bombed 2 major airports in Syria, but of a left field move unless they are using US guidance systems. Probably programming the weapons with a Garmin GPS. All those names over there look the same, whoops… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Absolutely gone at the “just had a reassuring chat with the police” part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, eez-eh said: Absolutely gone at the “just had a reassuring chat with the police” part. I’m sure there’s a number for Met officers who’d like to have a “reassuring chat” with her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I once went back to a young Syrian lady's flat after a night out and she fed me baklava on her couch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 31 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: Is she not a massive TERF as well? Dunno she was blocked long before she realised she could get away with those views in public. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 There was a UAP over the Temple Mount not that long ago. I'm pretty sure that was Yogi descending from the Moon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: I once went back to a young Syrian lady's flat after a night out and she fed me mushroom baklava on her couch. Disgusting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, Venti said: There was a UAP over the Temple Mount not that long ago. I'm pretty sure that was Yogi descending from the Moon. Unidentified Airborne Pickanickbasket? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, carpetmonster said: Unidentified Airborne Pickanickbasket? If there were aliens they'd take virginton back to the Delta quadrant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, virginton said: A founding principle that the UN has dinghied since just about day 1 of its existence, with the veto power of the Security Council states giving licence to do so. If the Roma/whatever term those groups prefer start to organise on the principle that they require a territorial state to exercise self-determination, over the course of decades, then they absolutely do have the same right and existing states should respect and adjust to that new reality. Of course, they wouldn't. Whether that new sovereign entity chooses to grant the same rights to co-nationals living around the world is up to them really. The grounds for Israel and Palestinian arguments may be shaky - but they're no less shaky that the foundations of any traditional, Western European nation as and when some group has the temerity to contest that territory. As we've seen often enough on these islands. The U.N. hasn’t always backed self determination for anyone that asks for it but it’s not ignored it either. They’ve generally recognised declarations of independence by former colonies without much controversy. The Roma wouldn’t have that right because they’re not “a people” as defined for the charter. They’re not the population of a territory. The first principle they’d need to organise on would be to occupy a recognisable territory. The populations of Gaza and Israel each would almost certainly qualify as “a people” and should have a right to self determination over the territories in which they are currently the population. But neither would have any legal claim to occupy new land outside that area just because their ancestors occupied it. That’s basically the claim that Hamas are advocating. That Israel shouldn’t occupy historically Palestinian land. It’s also largely the founding principle of Zionism, going even further back to claim a territory for a diaspora. To be fair there are also more recent claims for land that was taken over the last couple of centuries too. Historical claims are not covered or effected by the right to self determination (even if it was going to be evenly and fairly applied). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, coprolite said: If you want my constructive opinion on your view that there has to be a shared state, it’s that that’s what I’d expect someone with poo in their head to say, mr poopy poo poo head. Dear, oh dear, oh dear. Edited October 12, 2023 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I didn't know Rachel Riley was Jewish. I wondered why she hated Jeremy Corbyn so much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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