Billy Jean King Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Rumours of a "deal" to open the border into Egypt coupled with the Israelis telling the population of Gaza to move south ie towards that border must bring into sharp focus the end of a Palestinian state. You can see why Hamas would be advising the population not to head south as the opening of that border to refugees (if that is the "deal" being talked about) would see the vast majority of the population of Gaza become refugees in Egypt with the prospect of never returning. Israel then rolls into Gaza to flatten it in preparation of it becoming integrated into Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 14 hours ago, TxRover said: And you go back to the 30’s and the Jewish population around there was being killed, and they fortified rather than retaliated…so there is been tit for tat there for centuries. As already said, this is now... and there is no equivalence between the oppressed and the oppressors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: Rumours of a "deal" to open the border into Egypt coupled with the Israelis telling the population of Gaza to move south ie towards that border must bring into sharp focus the end of a Palestinian state. You can see why Hamas would be advising the population not to head south as the opening of that border to refugees (if that is the "deal" being talked about) would see the vast majority of the population of Gaza become refugees in Egypt with the prospect of never returning. Israel then rolls into Gaza to flatten it in preparation of it becoming integrated into Israel. Hard to see Egypt going for that as I really doubt any country that has cheered on Israel will be interested in taking a share of the refugees. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I hear Rwanda have space... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: I hear Rwanda have space... Bit of a walk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 What would it take for the UN to put a peacekeeping force as a buffer to protect Gaza being invaded? They could also provide humanitarian aid. Apart from a miracle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cosmic Joe said: What would it take for the UN to put a peacekeeping force as a buffer to protect Gaza being invaded? They could also provide humanitarian aid. Apart from a miracle. Pretty much needs the 5 permanent members of the security council to want to end the conflict. Can't see Israel seeking it but perhaps the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank could try to influence the chair of the security council, Brazil and the UAE who are on the council until December to try and propose it to the other members. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 There's 10,000 UN peacekeepers on the border between Lebanon & Israel. Apparently Hesbollah won't let them take up position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Interim_Force_in_Lebanon#:~:text=The United Nations Interim Force,426%2C to confirm Israeli withdrawal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Unfortunately, there is no chance of the UN Security Council agreeing to anything meaningful. Especially if being pushed by the pariah state in chief that is the Russian Federation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 hours ago, welshbairn said: Even Melanie Phillips finds her too right wing.. https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/to-put-israels-points-rst-learn-about-the-brits-1.500355 If you read that article closely Phillips main criticism of Hotovely seems to be that she does not fully appreciate the abhorrent (to Phillips) views of Israel held by many in the UK, and is thus incapable of representing the Israeli Government. It's not that she is too right wing (no such thing exists for Phillips), it's that she's a failure in her appointed role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, beefybake said: As already said, this is now... and there is no equivalence between the oppressed and the oppressors. The ones oppressed in part because their leaders rejected the Oslo Accords? There’s blame all over, regardless of where you look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: Rumours of a "deal" to open the border into Egypt coupled with the Israelis telling the population of Gaza to move south ie towards that border must bring into sharp focus the end of a Palestinian state. You can see why Hamas would be advising the population not to head south as the opening of that border to refugees (if that is the "deal" being talked about) would see the vast majority of the population of Gaza become refugees in Egypt with the prospect of never returning. Israel then rolls into Gaza to flatten it in preparation of it becoming integrated into Israel. I’d imagine any opening would be limited. Food convoys in and probably only sick and injured in transit to elsewhere. Can’t imagine Egypt is going to let even tens of thousands into Sinai. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Good article by probably the most experienced UK journalist on the Middle East. Israeli air war will destroy Gaza but not Hamas 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, coprolite said: I’d imagine any opening would be limited. Food convoys in and probably only sick and injured in transit to elsewhere. Can’t imagine Egypt is going to let even tens of thousands into Sinai. 2 hours ago, 101 said: Hard to see Egypt going for that as I really doubt any country that has cheered on Israel will be interested in taking a share of the refugees. That was my initial thoughts, it was the BBC talking up a deal to allow more than "foreign" passport holders cross. I tend to agree it won't happen but you could see what could well be the end result if it did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 19 hours ago, TxRover said: And you go back to the 30’s and the Jewish population around there was being killed, and they fortified rather than retaliated…so there is been tit for tat there for centuries. True. Because of the Nazis the thirties was when the Jewish population in Palestine increased massively 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: Rumours of a "deal" to open the border into Egypt coupled with the Israelis telling the population of Gaza to move south ie towards that border must bring into sharp focus the end of a Palestinian state. You can see why Hamas would be advising the population not to head south as the opening of that border to refugees (if that is the "deal" being talked about) would see the vast majority of the population of Gaza become refugees in Egypt with the prospect of never returning. Israel then rolls into Gaza to flatten it in preparation of it becoming integrated into Israel. This ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 hours ago, 101 said: Hard to see Egypt going for that as I really doubt any country that has cheered on Israel will be interested in taking a share of the refugees. How do you mean " cheered on Israel " ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: True. Because of the Nazis the thirties was when the Jewish population in Palestine increased massively If the Europeans were kind to the Jews there would be no Jewish State, they would still be living happily in Europe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: If the Europeans were kind to the Jews there would be no Jewish State, they would still be living happily in Europe. Pretty sure the idea of a Jewish homeland predated the Europeans not being “kind to the Jews”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 hours ago, TxRover said: The ones oppressed in part because their leaders rejected the Oslo Accords? There’s blame all over, regardless of where you look. Two people signed the Oslo Accords. Yasser Arafat of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). And Yitzak Rabin for Israel. Arafat had conceded to Israel about 60% of what Palestinians considered their territory. Even relative moderates felt he had betrayed them. Yitzak Rabin was assassinated by right wingers in Israel who considered him a traitor for negotiating at all. One of those who had called for Rabin to be killed is now the National Security Minister of Israel. After the assassination of Rabin, the right wingers took a grip of Israel, first Ariel Sharon, then, and now Netanyahu. Israel are occupiers. They are the oppressors. No matter how you try to circumvent that. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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