TxRover Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Just now, MazzyStar said: The current Israeli government won’t view that as a problem. Correct, and why I said issue...its a design, not a defect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 I know we see it all the time here with huge disasters in other countries yielding "BRITON DEAD IN JIBROVIAN EARTHQUAKE" headlines, but it's bizarre seeing detailed stories about a single named Israeli found dead without mention of the exponentially larger number of Palestinian corpses that will have been found on the same day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, BFTD said: I know we see it all the time here with huge disasters in other countries yielding "BRITON DEAD IN JIBROVIAN EARTHQUAKE" headlines, but it's bizarre seeing detailed stories about a single named Israeli found dead without mention of the exponentially larger number of Palestinian corpses that will have been found on the same day. Its possibly misleading folk too. Some UK folk seem to think the aim of the Israeli offensive is to retrieve the Israeli hostages from Gaza. Therefore, each new report of a hostage having died strengthens those folk's support for the offensive. Yet that's not the aim of the offensive at all. In that clip I linked above, Daniel Levy explained how Hamas three weeks ago offered to begin releasing the Israeli civilian hostages in exchange for a ceasefire and the release of Palestinian women and children held by Israel. That was rejected by Israel. As Levy said, "...its either the military mission, or its the prisoner release". There's also that Israeli military doctrine is going to kill a lot of the hostages anyway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine). Edited November 17, 2023 by Freedom Farter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 15/11/2023 at 20:49, TxRover said: The biggest issue Israel has with population groups is the Ultra Orthodox (haredim) population skyrocketing, at 13%, and growing 4% per year. They mostly don't work, living off government stipends to study the torah, their schools barely teach math or English and such, and they are exempted from military service too. What Israel needs to deal with that is a right wing Tory, Braverman-style Government. What? I beg your pardon? Folk living off the state tit, not working, no intention of working, all while studying useless subjects? The British Tories wouldn't put up with that sort of stuff! Can you imagine the Mainly Dail/ Express/ Torygraph front pages? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: What Israel needs to deal with that is a right wing Tory, Braverman-style Government. What? I beg your pardon? Folk living off the state tit, not working, no intention of working, all while studying useless subjects? The British Tories wouldn't put up with that sort of stuff! Can you imagine the Mainly Dail/ Express/ Torygraph front pages? Nah, they’d be overjoyed to provide a State stipend for young ladies and gentlemen to sit around and read the Telegraph and the Express…you might even get a scheme for free distribution of the Daily Heil, er, Mail to lower income homes. Once a week meetings with a lecturer on what the Tory manifesto really means, etc. After 10 years, they’ll be offered a lucrative entry position in a privatized ex-nationalized company and evaluated to see if the treatment “took”…if it did, they can work up to being local councilors. They could maintain the supply of positions by randomly nationalizing any business where the Unions are gaining power, for the best of the country, before reprivatizing them after a few years by selling to some rich Tory peers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Israel levelled a hospital they were convinced Hamas had an operations centre underneath and but they “fled” before they raided the place. The only evidence they have is a large hole in a bunch of rubble. Murdering b*****ds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, SweeperDee said: Israel levelled a hospital they were convinced Hamas had an operations centre underneath and but they “fled” before they raided the place. The only evidence they have is a large hole in a bunch of rubble. Murdering b*****ds. I don't think they levelled it, its still standing, but they did bomb the area all around it. They also cut the electricity to it, killing neonates. Snipers fired into the hospital hitting patients (https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/voice-gazas-al-shifa-hospital-we-are-alone-now-no-one-hears-us). Who the snipers were is unclear but the IDF's intention to empty the hospital makes them more likely culprits than Gazan militants. This from BBC verify is good: Also this twitter thread from a New York Times reporter: https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1724857866106949908 (or it can be read via nitter: https://nitter.net/AricToler/status/1724857866106949908#m). He shows the photos of the laddered shaft that's clearly just a standard electrical storage space for the building and not the entrance to a terrorists' lair. He also shows how the IDF gave media a photo of a box of confiscated dates (yes, the food). Terrorist dates. So far, this seems a fair take: It's possible the IDF will still find the terrorist base under the hospital as promised. It's also possible that was always just a ruse for daft foreign media. The true motive may've been to empty a building which was sheltering civilians who Israel want moved south. Edited November 18, 2023 by Freedom Farter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Did anyone see the interview on MSNBC (I think) between Mehdi Hasan and yon Australian spokesman for Netanyahu, Mark Regev? It's utterly baffling for me that a western democracy is somehow a less credible source than a proscribed terrorist organisation, yet here we are. Note: Link is to X, formerly known as Twitter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Did anyone see the interview on MSNBC (I think) between Mehdi Hasan and yon Australian spokesman for Netanyahu, Mark Regev? It's utterly baffling for me that a western democracy is somehow a less credible source than a proscribed terrorist organisation, yet here we are. Note: Link is to X, formerly known as Twitter. Israel isn’t a democracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: It's possible the IDF will still find the terrorist base under the hospital as promised. It's also possible that was always just a ruse for daft foreign media. The true motive may've been to empty a building which was sheltering civilians rather than forcing them to flee south. They're now telling everyone to evacuate the hospital (except the Israeli's say they're helping provide a safe route out after a request from a hospital director), where they are supposed to safely evacuate to is anyone's guess. Especially as they're now telling everyone to leave the southern city of Khan Younis, where many went after being told to leave the north. Now they're being told to move to the West of the city, and the Israeli's are "pretty sure that they won’t have to move again". I really don't understand how many in the West are able to stand by and not condemn this. Apart from the SNP & the Green's in the UK, every other party seems quite happy to allow Israel to do whatever they want. FFS even the BBC are starting to question what's going on in this hospital. Edited November 18, 2023 by s_dog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 This is long but I enjoyed it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: This from BBC verify is good: Ros Atkins is a guid c**t 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67462615 Israeli strike on a UN school in northern Gaza today. Like the hospitals, it was a communal building where civilians had gathered hoping to be safe. They weren't. The video clip in that article tells a story. Gazans leaving on foot with just a bag of belongings while Israeli bulldozers and tanks drive past behind them. An estimated 2000 Gazan corpses lie under the rubble. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Eylon Levy - Israel Govt Spokesman - was on Radio 4 just now. Absolute swivel eyed lunacy yet again - made to look an absolute fool by the interviewer, tried to refuse to acknowledge that the issues on the West Bank were perpetrated by Israel. The really need some people with vaguely level heads, as the people they trot out for the worlds media are making them look worse by the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 I linked this yesterday but deleted my comment because I became unsure it was genuine. It's hard to believe that it is. I've since read many Israelis on Twitter verifying it, though. Israel's state broadcaster had it published on their website but has now removed it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Giora Eiland, a retired IDF General and former head of Israel's National Security Council, arguing that civilian deaths are not only inevitable but desirable and Israeli should be actively trying to create a deeper humanitarian crisis, because they're all Hamas. He explicitly says 'the entire Gaza population". This stuff is absolutely mainstream in Israeli politics and society. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 USA's most influential newspaper. Politicians are really dying on this hill alone, their usual media cheerleaders aren't covering for them this time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 18/11/2023 at 06:15, Freedom Farter said: It's possible the IDF will still find the terrorist base under the hospital as promised. It's also possible that was always just a ruse for daft foreign media. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Freedom Farter said: Blah, blah, stumble..., mish,.... command, blah... post....., mash.. Now that's what I call a word salad, VT. They seem to be just basement rooms. Not that the IDF are very bothered now, they've moved on to attacking the next hospital. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 20/11/2023 at 19:17, Freedom Farter said: USA's most influential newspaper. Politicians are really dying on this hill alone, their usual media cheerleaders aren't covering for them this time. That's utterly fucking horrific to look at. Beyond grim. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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