coprolite Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: The British media and political class, the journalist in this case obviously being a fine example of the incestuousness and nepotism between the two, truly is rancid. It's all a game to these people, it doesn't matter if those who aren't in the big club are slaughtered and starved, as long as the people who matter get to pat each other on the back while gossiping about how sensible and intelligent they all are. British politics is a parlour game. Kind of like just a minute but rules are toe the party line for two minutes, no "gaffes", no "u turns". Bonus points for a printable soundbite. Hugo would probably be rather good at it if daddy's chums hadn't swung him that cushy media gig. I often hear The News Quiz and can confirm that he's not there on merit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 03/03/2024 at 09:19, Dunning1874 said: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n05/pankaj-mishra/the-shoah-after-gaza A long but vital read here about Israel's national psyche, the role of the Holocaust and historic antisemitism in that, how it influences their treatment of Palestinians and how it governs Israel's relationship with other states and diaspora Jews. A lot to digest in that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dunning1874 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 A bit of a pushback against the new McCarthyism in the UK, with those who've tried to hound anyone expressing Palestinian solidarity (or in some cases Muslims simply existing) out of public life seeing it backfire. Remember the risible claims that plush octopus toys were actually an antisemitic symbol invoking Nazi propaganda about Jewish control of the planet, because Greta Thunberg had one in the background of a photo and she was consistently using her platform to draw attention to Palestine so some absurd smear to discredit her had to be constructed? There was some horrendous abuse directed at a Muslim taking part in an episode of University Challenge which aired in November, as their team had one of those toys on display as a mascot. Curious that the three white contestants got no criticism, but the woman wearing a hijab did. Another reason she was criticised was that she was wearing black, red and green, the colours of the Palestinian flag, clearly this meant she was expressing her support for Hamas and the October 7th attack? Even ignoring the obvious flaws in the ridiculous logical fallacy that wearing anything with the colours of the Palestinian flag makes someone a Hamas supporter, she wasn't. It's an orange and pink jacket with a green pocket, she's not responsible for the BBC's lighting. Also, this episode was filmed in March. Tory member of the House of Lords, Baroness Foster, was one of those most loudly decrying her, explicitly calling her an antisemite. Gorgianeh complained to the HOL standards committee about Foster's conduct but the complaint was dismissed. She has today had to pay damages and put out a grovelling public apology for that defamatory lie, although is still somehow managing to claim the octopus is antisemitic symbol which is obviously fucking nonsense. Michelle Donelan has also been forced to pay damages and apologise, although having made the remarks in her capacity as a member of the government has disgracefully paid the damages out of taxpayer's money rather than her own pocket, while the supposed apology has a noticeable lack of apologising in it. A professor and doctor appointed to an advisory group to UK Research and Innovation, a body funded by the Department of Science, Innovation & Technology which Donelan leads, were accused by her in letter she made public of sharing extremist material and in one of their cases explicitly supporting Hamas. This was obviously a lie - the evidence of her supposed support for Hamas was tweeting a Guardian article with the comment "this is disturbing". The other had described Israel's actions as genocide and apartheid. It's clear that they're not going to stop the authoritarian crackdown on dissent and will continue to accuse anyone who dares to disagree with the their continued active participation in war crimes as an extremist, but it's good to see some sort of consequence with people standing up to them. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 19 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: A bit of a pushback against the new McCarthyism in the UK, with those who've tried to hound anyone expressing Palestinian solidarity (or in some cases Muslims simply existing) out of public life seeing it backfire. Remember the risible claims that plush octopus toys were actually an antisemitic symbol invoking Nazi propaganda about Jewish control of the planet, because Greta Thunberg had one in the background of a photo and she was consistently using her platform to draw attention to Palestine so some absurd smear to discredit her had to be constructed? There was some horrendous abuse directed at a Muslim taking part in an episode of University Challenge which aired in November, as their team had one of those toys on display as a mascot. Curious that the three white contestants got no criticism, but the woman wearing a hijab did. Another reason she was criticised was that she was wearing black, red and green, the colours of the Palestinian flag, clearly this meant she was expressing her support for Hamas and the October 7th attack? Even ignoring the obvious flaws in the ridiculous logical fallacy that wearing anything with the colours of the Palestinian flag makes someone a Hamas supporter, she wasn't. It's an orange and pink jacket with a green pocket, she's not responsible for the BBC's lighting. Also, this episode was filmed in March. Tory member of the House of Lords, Baroness Foster, was one of those most loudly decrying her, explicitly calling her an antisemite. Gorgianeh complained to the HOL standards committee about Foster's conduct but the complaint was dismissed. She has today had to pay damages and put out a grovelling public apology for that defamatory lie, although is still somehow managing to claim the octopus is antisemitic symbol which is obviously fucking nonsense. Michelle Donelan has also been forced to pay damages and apologise, although having made the remarks in her capacity as a member of the government has disgracefully paid the damages out of taxpayer's money rather than her own pocket, while the supposed apology has a noticeable lack of apologising in it. A professor and doctor appointed to an advisory group to UK Research and Innovation, a body funded by the Department of Science, Innovation & Technology which Donelan leads, were accused by her in letter she made public of sharing extremist material and in one of their cases explicitly supporting Hamas. This was obviously a lie - the evidence of her supposed support for Hamas was tweeting a Guardian article with the comment "this is disturbing". The other had described Israel's actions as genocide and apartheid. It's clear that they're not going to stop the authoritarian crackdown on dissent and will continue to accuse anyone who dares to disagree with the their continued active participation in war crimes as an extremist, but it's good to see some sort of consequence with people standing up to them. I'm surprised the protesters at Paul Sweeney's surgery haven’t taken similar action as well after his lies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) On 06/03/2024 at 10:24, Freedom Farter said: I’ve avoided this thread for some time now. The ongoing genocide in Gaza actively supported by both our government and our government in waiting is beyond awful. There have been worse atrocities in my lifetime but this is one where we are active and open participants. Nothing is happening behind closed doors, it’s there for everyone to see, yet our elected representatives offer only mealy mouthed platitudes. Edited March 7 by Granny Danger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 UNRWA staff were abducted by the IDF and waterboarded, beaten and had their families threatened so that they would falsely claim other UNRWA staff were affiliated with Hamas: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-falsely-admit-hamas-links-2024-03-08/ These false "confessions" obtained via torture were then used by Israel to convince their allied nations to suspend UNRWA funding, exacerbating the famine Gazans are now suffering from. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Did we know that the RAF has fighters flying over Israel? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68513408 Some horrifying accounts of the abduction and torture Gazan medical staff have been subjected to here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, The DA said: Did we know that the RAF has fighters flying over Israel? They probably fly over Israel quite often on their way back to Cyprus from Arabian adventures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 32 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They probably fly over Israel quite often on their way back to Cyprus from Arabian adventures. Probably. But not as much fun as a good conspiracy theory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 You think they can’t get more mental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 13/03/2024 at 21:08, The Golden God said: You think they can’t get more mental. He's got himself suspended now. Not for that tweet. For overtly lying about Israel's blocking of UK aid to Gazans in Twitter exchanges he had with David Cameron and Alicia Kearns (Tory MP). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Palestine currently beating Bangladesh 4-0 in a World Cup qualifier. At home. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) Israel drawing 0-0 at home to Iceland. I strongly suspect that Israel really are playing at home. Edited March 21 by Cosmic Joe -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Palestine have grabbed a fifth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Cosmic Joe said: Palestine currently beating Bangladesh 4-0 in a World Cup qualifier. At home. In Kuwait rather than underground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Israel match is in Hungary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Al-Jazeera have published footage taken from an Israeli drone, which I won't be linking here because it's absolutely horrible and I'm never going to forget looking at it. Obviously unarmed civilians walking down roads being blown to pieces, just because they can. It's simply indiscriminate slaughter, and it's happening hundreds of times a day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 I once watched Palestine away against Kyrgyzstan. Think it was 2-0 to the home team. Good atmosphere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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