BFTD Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 4 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Not the main point, but I’m pretty sure that Hamas and ISIS fucking hate each other. Pretty certain that ISIS regard Hamas as apostates. I know that it’s said to try to justify killing Palestinian civilians, but still One of the Israeli government propaganda ads that I'm being drowned in explicitly states "HAMAS IS ISIS", among other all-caps slogans in a very serious fontface set to "very big". Incidentally, are Israel's propaganda department massive Gaspar Noe fans or something? Their promotional material is like sitting through the credits to Irreversible or Enter the Void, but sadly with no pounding techno. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 23 hours ago, welshbairn said: Biden just condemned Israeli settlers' attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank. Quite significant I think. Good ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 8 hours ago, The Other Foot said: Hizb, Hizb, Hizb for the cup? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 On 18/10/2023 at 21:33, Thane of Cawdor said: It can be quite complicated. I think that, sometimes, actual support for Zionism can be rooted in antisemitism. Do people remember Ken Livingstone arguing that Hitler was a Zionist? Similarly, Balfour was not motivated by love of the Jewish people. Support for the dispossessed people of Palestine equates to neither anti-Zionism nor antisemitism. It is rooted in sympathy for a people whose needs and interests were not considered in Balfour's scheme, or at any time subsequently. https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/232119 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 There is a very good , balanced programme on BBC I player about the origins of this conflict. The plan of some Jews , plan D , to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians was mentioned. David Ben Gurion was a liar. You cannot be expelling Palestinians and at the same time telling them it is o.k. to stay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: The take we've all been waiting on. Clearly the brains behind the bears 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 If Hamas had just attacked the IDF on 7th October they would have just been following the usual example of the Irgun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Obviously a journalist can’t ‘admit’ to military policy as such, but still not a great look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Struggled to open this thread on my phone due to the incredible levels of bald and divorced energy emitting from Donathan's posts. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 27 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Struggled to open this thread on my phone due to the incredible levels of bald and divorced energy emitting from Donathan's posts. Looks like the mods were struggling with it as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 17 hours ago, BFTD said: One of the Israeli government propaganda ads that I'm being drowned in explicitly states "HAMAS IS ISIS", among other all-caps slogans in a very serious fontface set to "very big". Incidentally, are Israel's propaganda department massive Gaspar Noe fans or something? Their promotional material is like sitting through the credits to Irreversible or Enter the Void, but sadly with no pounding techno. and in the past Golda Meir (?) , amongst others , was giving it " there are no such things as Palestinians " 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 15 hours ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: If Hamas had just attacked the IDF on 7th October they would have just been following the usual example of the Irgun If they'd just done that and taken a load of soldiers back to exchange for their own held by Israel, it would have been a far greater victory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I still feel fucking disgusted by our government backing genocide. I know the tories are low, but f**k me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I haven't followed any of this in the news because what's the point. All I've really seen is stuff posted in this thread. On the telly this morning there was footage of one of the Israeli guys giving a speech at the UN. "We are not dealing with human beings. We are dealing with monsters." What's the point indeed. The sooner I win the lottery and can go and live in seclusion at least 100 miles from anyone else the better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67232925 Anwar El Ghazi sacked by Mainz for posting something pro-Palestine on Instagram. Germany doing completely normal things. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, eez-eh said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67232925 Anwar El Ghazi sacked by Mainz for posting something pro-Palestine on Instagram. Germany doing completely normal things. What did his initial statement say? It just says its been deleted. His subsequent statement is perfectly reasonable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawpar Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 The meaning of the word israeled - https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Israeled Israeled The act of taking something that is not yours and then kicking out the rightful owner - Someone asked to share my table at a restaurant, and then asked me to leave the table because they had a meeting! - looks like you just got israeled by Freefelestin October 21, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Trogdor said: What did his initial statement say? It just says its been deleted. His subsequent statement is perfectly reasonable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, eez-eh said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67232925 Anwar El Ghazi sacked by Mainz for posting something pro-Palestine on Instagram. Germany doing completely normal things. Said “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” which some construe to be anti-Semitic. The rationale is that you’re saying Israel shouldn’t exist which in turn means you want all the Jews there killed/expelled. I personally think it’s a massive stretch to assume that is what is meant by that statement and is an utterly ridiculous thing to sack someone for, but the Germans tend to be (perhaps understandably) complete shitebags when it comes to anything to do with criticism of Israel. 13 minutes ago, Trogdor said: What did his initial statement say? It just says its been deleted. His subsequent statement is perfectly reasonable. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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