old school Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Executing spies in public. Hamas are some shower. Israel are fully justified. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Trust me I know a lot more about the history of Middle East the than you think. I'm just trying to attempt to bring ordinary people into the discussion instead of the pages and pages of sections copied and pasted from Wikipedia by the same three halfwits. Anyway, what part of my statement is inaccurate? I would rather not but thanks for the offer. I doubt that you know much at all about the Middle East other than the shite that you have been force fed through Zionist owned/controlled Global News Networks. Reynard and his chums are the only members here copy/pasting "wikipedia". And only halfwits would post ignorant comments such as this below: The situation is plain and simple. The Palestinians have been rattling the Israeli's cage with there indiscriminate rockets for some time now. The Israeli's are just retaliating with some precision air strikes. There might be some collateral damage but that's what you get when you vote the likes of Hamas into power. Every decade or so the Arabs like to poke the Israeli's with a stick to see if they still bite. The Israeli's retaliate and put the Muslims back in their place and then they usually start picking on each other. You're so vain you probably think this post is about you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinigol Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 :lol: :lol: Tin foil hat stuff from SS-18. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Executing spies in public. Hamas are some shower. Israel are fully justified. Here you go lad, cheer yourself up... The Spice Must Flow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinigol Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I would rather not but thanks for the offer. I doubt that you know much at all about the Middle East other than the shite that you have been force fed through Zionist owned/controlled Global News Networks. Reynard and his chums are the only members here copy/pasting "wikipedia". Whereas you're copying stuff you got from Zeitgeist and other "eye opening" documentaries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Executing spies in public. Hamas are some shower. Israel are fully justified. ''shower'' in a post about killing folk and Israel? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditots Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Spot on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Whereas you're copying stuff you got from Zeitgeist and other "eye opening" documentaries. No. I most definitely am not. I am posting quotes from the 'True Torah: Jews Against Zionism' website actually. Don't you like Jews Piginol? I'm sensing some anti-Semitism in your posts. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 this nuclear weapon guy is on some windup 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditots Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) I doubt that you know much at all about the Middle East other than the shite that you have been force fed through Zionist owned/controlled Global News Networks. Where as Arab government dictators don't try and warp their peoples minds at all. I'm sure you are just trolling you can't possibly believe the pish you are writing. Edited November 17, 2012 by ditots 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinigol Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 No. I most definitely am not. I am posting quotes from the 'True Torah: Jews Against Zionism' website actually. Don't you like Jews Piginol? I'm sensing some anti-Semitism in your posts. That seems to be your stock response, by accusing others of anti-semitism despite the fact that you hold some bizarre views when it comes to jews and their role in the world. I'm against Zionism, in that I believe the state was founded on an injustice (although that's the case with many countries) and that the illegal occupation of land is wrong. But none of that changes the fact that Israel exists, and has a right to protect it's people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Is this guy Mel Gibson? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Is this guy Mel Gibson? I fear he's too moderate to be Mel Gibson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Where as Arab government dictators don't try and warp their peoples minds at all. I'm sure you are just trolling you can't possibly believe the pish you are writing. They most certainly do. I have never said that they don't. I have no reason or need to do that. I have not taken sides in what has been going on in the Middle East, i have merely pointed out that most of you believe what you are told to believe by (your teachers and corporate media that is owned/controlled by the world's wealthiest people) people with 'vested interests' in Israel and that very few of you who are pro-Israel possess critical thinking faculties. If you think that the texts that i have posted from the 'Torah Jews' website is pish i suggest you email them with your concerns. I am sure that you are just trolling as you have not attempted to debate any of this: http://www.jewsagain...nazisupport.cfm "Theodore Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism" hmm...What do you make of that then little trolls? NAZI SUPPORT OF ZIONISM Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained "we must, above all, make it an international political issue."[1]Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."[2]In his "Diaries", page 19, Herzl stated "Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies." Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo.[3] [4] [5] [6] Hitler himself personally supported Zionism.[7] [8] During the 1930's, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized "Kibbutz" training camps[9] over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of "Israel".[10] The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 and abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism. [11] Through this agreement, Hitler's Third Reich did more than any other government during the 1930's to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals. Hitler and the Zionists had a common goal: to create a world Jewish Ghetto as a solution to the Jewish Question. The Zionist so-called "World Jewish Congress" declared war on the country of Germany,[12] [13] knowing that it would affect their Jewish brothers residing in that country who would be left without protection. When others tried to help them escape to other countries, the Zionist movement took actions which caused those countries to lock their doors to Jewish immigration (read more in the books, "Perfidy" and "Min Hametzer"). As a result of the Zionist influence five ships of Jewish refugees from Germany arriving in the United States were turned back to the gas chambers. The fundamental aim of the Zionist movement has been not to save Jewish lives but to create a "Jewish state" in Palestine. On December 7, 1938, Ben Gurion, the first head of the Zionist state of Israel' declared "If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."[14] On August 31, 1949, Ben Gurion stated: "Although we have realized our dream of creating a Jewish State, we are only at the beginning. There are still only 900,000 Jews in Israel, whereas the majority of the Jewish people still remains abroad. Our future task is to bring all the Jews to Israel." Of the two and a half million Jews seeking refuge from the Nazis between 1935 and 1943, less than 9% went to settle in Palestine. The vast majority, 75%, went to the Soviet Union. In the mid-70's, more people emigrated out of 'Israel' than came in. The only surges of immigration to the Zionist state have occurred during anti-Semitic threats and persecution in foreign countries.[15] It follows that for the Zionist state to achieve its goal of a Jewish world ghetto anti-Semitism must be promoted and encouraged, and as we have seen, by acts of violence if necessary. "To attain its practical objectives, Zionism hopes it will be able to collaborate with a government that is fundamentally hostile to the Jews".[16] The use of anti-Semitism as a tool to coerce immigration to the Zionist state continues to the present day: Prime Minister Sharon has stated that anti-Semitism is on the rise and that the only hope for the safety of Jews is to move to Israel under the protection of the Zionist state. "The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews," he said.[17] Those who continue to call the so-called "state of Israel" the "Jewish State" are not only promoting Zionism which is contrary to the beliefs of true Judaism, but also endorsing the promotion of worldwide anti-Semitism. In doing so they are endangering the lives of traditional Jews and denying their civil liberties and human rights. When the British foreign secretary, Arthur Balfour (sponsor of the 1905 Aliens Act to restrict Jewish immigration to the UK), wanted the British government to commit itself to a Jewish homeland in Palestine, his declaration was delayed - not by anti-Semites but by leading figures in the British Jewish community. They included a Jewish member of the cabinet who called Balfour's pro-Zionism "anti-Semitic in result". In contrast, a great statesman like Secretary of State Colin Powell, a supporter of traditional Judaism, has the courage to separate Judaism from Zionism and to acknowledge that speaking out against the actions of the Zionist state is not "anti-Semitism". We call upon our leaders in Washington to disassociate the actions of the Zionist state from traditional Judaism by no longer referring to "Israel" as the "Jewish State" but as "the Zionist State" and to speak out against the Zionist actions which promote anti-Semitism. Bibliography: Hitlers Zweites Buch – ein Dokument aus dem Jahr 1928, Stuttgart, 1961. English translation: Hitler's Secret Book, New York, 1961, pp 212-215. Berlin Encyclopaedia Judaica (New York and Jerusalem: 1971), Vol. 5, p.648. See also, J.-C. Horak, "Zionist Film Propaganda in Nazi Germany," Historical Journal of Film, Radio and Television, Vol. 4, No. 1, 1984, pp 49-58. Perfidy, Author: Ben Hecht, Milah Press, Incorporated; April 1, 1997 Min Hameitzer, Author:Rabbi Weissmandl; The book Unheeded Cry by Abraham Fuchs, is a partial translation. Holocaust Encyclopedia, "Escape from German Occupied Europe",http://www.ushmm.org...duleId=10005470 "Immigration Policies", Jewish Virtual Library,http://www.jewishvir...ust/grobim.html "The Tragedy of the S.S. St. Louis", Jewish Virtual Library, http://www.jewishvir...st/stlouis.html [1] Quoted in: Ingrid Wecker, Feuerzeichen: Die "Reichskristallnacht" (Tubingen: Grabert, 1981), p. 212. See also: Th. Herzl, The Jewish State (New York: Herzl Press, 1970), pp 33, 35, 36, and Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (New York: Macmillan, 1984), p.73 [2] Th. Herzl, "Der Kongress, " Welt, June 4, 1897. Reprinted in: Theodore Herzls zionistischeSchriften (Leon Kellner, ed.), ester Teil, Berlin: Judischer Verlag, 1920, p. 190 (and p.139) [3] Francis R. Nicosia, The Third Reich and the Palestine Question (1985), pp. 54-55.; Karl A.Schleunes, The Twisted Road to Auschwitz (Urbana: Univ. of Illinois, 1970, 1990) pp. 178-181 [4] Jacob Boas, "A Nazi Travels to Palestine," History Today (London), January, 1980, pp. 33-38. [5] Facsimile reprint of front page of Das Schwarze Korp, May 15, 1935, in: Janusz Piekalkiewicz, Israels Langer Arm (Frankfurt: Goverts, 1975), pp. 66-67. [6] Das Schwarze Korps, Sept. 26, 1935. Quoted in: F. Nicosia, The Third Reich and the PalestineQuestion (1985), pp. 56-57 [7] F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), pp. 141-144; On Hitler's critical view of Zionism in Mein Kapf, see.Esp. Vol. 1, Chap. 11. Quoted in: Robert Wistrich, Hitler's Apocalypse (London: 1985), p. 155. [8] W. Feilchenfeld, et al., Haavra-Transfer (1972). Entire text in: David Yisraeli, The Palestine Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1974), pp. 132-136. [9] Y. Arad, et al., eds., Documents On the Holocaust (1981), p. 155. (The training kibbutz was at Neuendorf, and may have functioned even after March 1942.) [10] Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (New York: Bantam, pb., 1976), pp 253-254; Max Nussbaum, "Zionism Under Hitler," Congress Weekly (New York: American Jewish Congress), Sept. 11, 1942.; F. Nicosia, The Third Reich (1985), pp 58-60, 217.; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), p. 175. [11] E. Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), pp. 328, 337. [12] "Judea Declares War on Germany!" London Daily Express headline, March 24th, 1933 [13] "The worldwide boycott against Germany in 1933 and the later all-out declaration of war against Germany initiated by the Zionist leaders and the World Jewish Congress enraged Hitler so that he threatened to destroy the Jews" (Rabbi Schwartz, New York Times, Sept. 30, 1997) [14] Yvon Gelbner, "Zionist policy and the fate of European Jewry", in Yad Vashem studies (Jerusalem, vol. XII, p. 199). [15] Institute for Jewish Affairs of New York, quoted by Christopher Sykes in "Crossroads to Isarl",London 1965, and by Nathan Weinstock, "Le sionisme contre Israel," p. 146. [16] Lucy Dawidovitch, "A Holocaust Reader", p. 155. [17] "Sharon Urges Jews to go to Israel", BBC News, 17 Nov. 2003, http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/3275979.stm Home | About Us | Zionism | Anti-Semitism | Scriptures | Rabbis & Sages | Resources | News | Threat Level | Site Map ©2002 - 2012 True Torah Jews, 183 Wilson St., PMB 162, Brooklyn, NY 11211 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 If there was ever a picture that had summed up the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict in all its mulishness, it was this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 That seems to be your stock response, by accusing others of anti-semitism despite the fact that you hold some bizarre views when it comes to jews and their role in the world. I'm against Zionism, in that I believe the state was founded on an injustice (although that's the case with many countries) and that the illegal occupation of land is wrong. But none of that changes the fact that Israel exists, and has a right to protect it's people. If you are against Zionism why are you attacking me for posting information taken from very credible 'Jewish' sources that reference historical statements that have been made by Zionists? You are making no sense now. I clearly stated in one of my first posts on this thread that i have no opinion upon whether 'The Modern State of Israel' has a right to exist or not, it is not for me to judge. Their 'God' will decide that for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The irony is that Israel are just as fascist as nazi Germany, yet we are happy for them to have nuclear weapeons. ^^^ Never truer words have been said about the conflict. Those who have read the statements made by 'Theodor Herzl the founder of modern Zionism' know why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Trust me I know a lot more about the history of Middle East the than you think. Based on what exactly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfield Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Greedy Jews v Nut Job Islamists.? Carry on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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