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Its an experience to play in the spl, but its no goof believing we will go down straight away. It would be better being there with confidence. But the gates. Lets see, hearts, hibs, dundee united, aberdeen, motherwell, and the old firm and maybe St.J too.. Yes it would be good to see a couple of thousand in the away stand every week. Some atmosphere created. You never know Dazzle, next season may be the season you could enjoy it all.

Of course things, at times, have gone in our favour as things have gone against us. It is as you say, credit to all that this year we have so far been good enough to take advantage. Long may it gontinue.

We are creating our own luck which is quite a different matter. Played 11, won 8, drawn 2 and lost 1. Plus 11 GD. Thats consistency and not luck. If this puts a jinx on results then you can put me in front of the firing squad.

Well said that man.

No-one is saying, but he has 6 stitches in a cut over his eye (as stated by J.McG in his after match interview). Doubtfull at best for saturday i think.

On the other hand he may wish to add some chocolate chips to his cookies and chew over the issue a bit.

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So ayrmad are you saying livingston fans do not deserve to lose their club. This present situation has not been going on for just a few weeks but for the greater part of last season. They saw this coming, but what did they do to help. Answer "Diddly Squat" and instead chose to sit and wait for a white knight to come along yet again to save them. Sorry, but charity starts at home and livi fans have shown very little charity towards their own home club.

Quote Again, I'd like to say I can understand this from others perspective, but effectively Livi have met the stipulations all clubs agree to when they agree to join the league. Unquote What a load of old garbage. Livi have not met the stipulations they agreed when joining the league. God almighty, are you thick, dense or just plain stupid. You have broken so many of those stipulations its almost uncountable. Yet the SFL have decided to vote in your favour. If this happened in a murder case there would be so much outcry the judges would be banished after being hung drawn and quartered. This is not finished yet, and you certainly havent, as yet survived, so please dont gloat till your fat lady sings.

Well, i admire those two for having the guts to come out publically and denounce the SFL and the whole situation. I wonder now just how many other clubs and managers will show the same courage and speak out. I wonder if any of the news reporters etc have been on to Uefa and Fifa for there comments on this. Get them involved and scottish football is in for a severe kick up the backside. Back home, lets see how many other clubs and managers have the guts to follow suit and what the SFL reaction will be because there is no hiding from this now. Livi, i suspect the swell of public opinion is going ring your death knoll.

I like that smile at the end. Chancer.

Yes MCL and those figures look good, on paper, but they are not profits, are they. At this stage you have no sponsors. I doubt you have much hospitality sold, if any. Theres a huge assumption there will be no apathy amongst your fan base. And of course your assuming visiting fans will attend in fair numbers too. They have warned you on that score. What you have been told is that the club will save 1/2p for every £ it makes. It hasnt told you it is going to have to drastically slash its budget and operating costs and hope the gates remain constant at around 2000. Oh and forget your figures on the almondvale suite. Theres a very deep recession and theres going to be a lot of bad feeling from local business so that source of income will generate far less than expected. Welcome to the real world.

Well I am sorry E.Livi, but thats the biggest none statement i have ever heard. You will spend all but one half pence in the pound you earn. What kind of business plan is that??? What happens if you only get say an average of 1600 fans per game. By the time you have paid back some of the CVA, wages, rent, rates and so on your going to have a shortfall unless you drastically cut back some where. Are your existing players going to take a smaller wage as thats where your biggest outlay will be. Are you going to have a smaller squad. What level of security will there now be. On average that costs about £12.50 per man hour unless you have your own certificated event personel which would cost you about £7 per man hour. Policing is darned expensive too. I think you have only been told what you wanted to hear pal. Your going to need at least 2000 for every home game to just survive at the very minimul level. One things for certain, your 1/2 pence in the £ is going to build a good bank balance, in 10000 years.

Sorry MCL that was not a reply to you, but to Southview. Thanks for your reply though.

Great reply, you fanny Hahahahahahahaha

Lets put this in its real perspective here. No technically livi are not in administration but they are, by court order, under interim management which in itself constitutes breaches of SFL rules which makes them liable to penalties. The new owners are aware of this. Why do you think they have dictated there terms for livi's possible survival. Its this that is now the issue. Are other clubs and the SFL going to allow themselves to be steamrolled and dictated to like this or are they going to shown charactor and call livi's bluff. In my eyes i see this as livi now trying to make fools out of our clubs too. I have no doubt if i came on here and dictated to you guys you would soon tell me to GTF. Can anyone tell me where there is a difference.

In one of the interviews was it not stated that Mcgruther would run the club for the first year.

Well, its up to the other member clubs to step in now. If livi and there new owners are allowed by member clubs get away with this then all the others tar themselves with the same brush. And dont anyone say they cannot be penalised. Livi, if i have read this correctly will be run by the interim manager for the entire season do to mismanagement which is a breach of the rulesn appertaining to penalties that may be imposed. In this case the maybe should be substituted by WILL BE.

So now we have the saviours declaring an ultimatum which is a challenge to the authority and integrity of the SFL. Surely now there has to be a very stiff penalty imposed or the SFL has forever lost control of its member clubs who would have licence to dictate whatever they wish when they wish.

No no to what MCL

If this is now correct and massone has sold his shares then there is no need for a vote as a new company need not be formed. So now Livi should remain in interim administration, which is still against the rules and penalties should be imposed, but will they??? I wonder what Henry McCleish will say about this in his report on scottish football, and whether or not he will seek guidance from Uefa or Fifa on this whole sorry incident.

Yes, well I will be giving raith the £25 it would have cost me to attend. Times 2 that £50 which i am certain will help the club in some small way. I could only go to 6 away games this season, 2 were at almondvale. The other 4 EEP and Dundee will get my money. But if or when livi announce they will pay all creditors, then i may change my mind and go to those two games.

You see Livi, its that attitude that upsets so many. Ok fans are loyal to their club. But most are also loyal to the game in general. What your club have done is bring the game into disrepute overall. So please, dont be so complacent in your belief that away fans will still come to livingston in numbers. Those that support football will not support you by giving you there attendance money. Cant you read. Theres many who have already said they will not be coming to almondvale this season. So the writings there, on the wall, for you to see.

Thats why i say we must stay away from livingston if no penalties are given. If we are not there paying our money then there gates become second division. I am pretty sure the rovers would take 6/800 If they all stayed away, at the higher figure that would be about £13k they would lose.

Maybe then we should boycott both.