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Just read McCoist quotes about players who want to leave.
Make no mistake, never mind what Green says, these players are free to go. McCoist is practically begging them to stay.
And they start pre-season training on Thursday. Should be a jolly affair
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Her german cousin isn't bad either
Oh, ferfuxake, I get palpitations over the avatars of God of War and Enrico Annoni. These lassies and their.....ahem.......bountiful attributes are not good for an old man's blood pressure.
Big boobed beauties thread for this stuff !
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If the suits are getting together to do a deal, why can't we? Why can't the chairs of the Supporters' Trusts of every club that has one get together (with one obvious exception) and agree a course of action should Doncaster, Regan and Longmuir press ahead with their machinations - and then release a statement. That would leave everyone in no doubt where the fans stand and what will happen to the game if RFC are punted straight to SFL1.
chrismcarab posted a few hundred pages back about having a fan forum with somr journos involved. If that could be amalgamated with the above, it might just grow legs.
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The latest RTC blog, if accurate, makes me think there will be no ZombieNewcorpse of any shape or form next season.
All there is going to be is years worth of fees for Messrs. Sue, Grabbit & Runne.
Let's hope the powers that be at Hampden have made the appropriate contingency plans.
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Apologies if already posted. This is from RM. An open letter (long one anaw !) to Charlie Green.
Dear Mr. Green,
As you know, a general meeting of all 12 member clubs of the Scottish Premier League has been convened for 10am on Wednesday 4 July 2012 for members to consider, and decide upon, your application for the entry of Newco Rangers to the SPL.
Having considered the matter very carefully, and in light of recent statements by several SPL clubs, I am compelled to write to you to implore you to withdraw your application to the SPL in favour of an application to the Scottish Football League.
I do so in the full knowledge of the financial impact that such a move will undoubtedly have on the Rangers Football Club, and the uncertainty that a self imposed exile to the lower divisions of Scottish football will inevitably generate.
However, I have concluded that it would be a more honourable course of action to take rather than have the current gang of hypocritical SPL Club Chairmen decide our future when they have so vociferously, and so vindictively, demanded the most excessive and unprecedented sanctions against our club since we suffered the indignity of administration several weeks ago.
I’m sure the very public statements made by the likes of Vladimir Romanov of Hearts, Rod Petrie of Hibernian and Stephen Thompson of Dundee United in recent weeks, are ample evidence that the majority of the SPL clubs consider punishing Rangers as a more important objective than securing the financial future and wellbeing of the SPL and the Scottish game in general.
There can be no doubt any longer that these enemies of Rangers Football Club will vote to exclude a Rangers newco from the SPL, and that they will do everything in their power to ensure we are emasculated and hamstrung for years to come. I have also little doubt their real motivation is sheer, naked hatred for our club rather than the 'sporting integrity' that they so glibly and dishonestly espouse.
These are the people in whom you appear to repose your trust and confidence; people who have demonstrated that trust, confidence and fidelity are abstract concepts to be cynically exploited when circumstances are advantageous to their nefarious plans and plots.
Our club has been subjected to much vitriol and invective over the past few weeks and months by the very people who will now sit in judgment on Rangers, and make their decision about admission, on 4th July. A decision that we all now know to be a foregone conclusion.
Whilst I have yet to encounter a Rangers fan who believes that we should not be punished for the behavior of the miscreants who have brought our great club to this sorry pass, nor have I met one who believes we should continue to be punished ad infinitum by a group of SPL chairmen, chief executives and feckless supporters, who have been overtly, and unrepentantly, hostile to all things Rangers for countless years, and who have been particularly malicious in their attacks upon us in recent days.
We are vulnerable and unable to meaningfully defend ourselves, and they know it and have concluded that now is the time to strike. Make no mistake, this is not about sporting integrity, this is about hatred and bigotry, and clubs like Dundee Utd, Aberdeen, Celtic will not forgo this opportunity to kick us (and keep on kicking us) when we are down.
We now find ourselves in the unenviable position of being totally, and utterly, at the mercy of a hostile jury, from whom we can expect no quarter. If five or more clubs vote against your proposal to admit Rangers to the SPL as a newco, a club from Scottish Football League Division One will replace us in the SPL and we will, in all likelihood, apply for the vacancy that would be created in Division Three after other clubs have moved up a division.
We now know that will the case. There is no need to speculate any longer, so I ask you to very seriously consider what merit there is in waiting for our enemies to stab us in the back on 4th July, when we can be proactive in our approach to the Scottish Football League for admission.
We all now unequivocally accept that our circumstances are such that we require to take drastic measures to set our financial position to rights. Cuts of the magnitude required will significantly impact upon our ability to compete in the SPL, and it is clear that we need time and patience to rebuild our club and our team free of the enmity and hatred of the SPL cowards who cynically exploit the label of sporting integrity to mask their desire to destroy our club
That time will be available to us if we voluntarily drop to the Scottish Football League, Division 3, and our time spent in the lower divisions will, hopefully, be concurrent with our three year ban on participating in the major European competitions.
But, perhaps, more importantly, our decision to seek admission to the Scottish Football League, will remove the threat of further draconian punishments by those who clearly nurture the desire to punish us and wish only to exploit our commercial potential for their own selfish ends.
During the past few weeks and months, I have often asked the question, “When does the punishment stop and the rehabilitation start?”, and I have reluctantly concluded that the answer is, “When the SPL and the SFA consider that we have suffered enough!”
Clearly the SPL consider that we have not suffered enough, and it may be some considerable time before they decide that the time is right to rehabilitate the Rangers they so clearly despise. In these circumstances, would it not be more prudent to negate their vindictiveness and Machiavellian plotting by removing their power to direct our future and impair our ability to compete?
Wouldn’t it be a wise and sound strategy to take control of our own destiny by deciding our own fate?
I think so, and many thousands of other Rangers fans also take that view.
If you have been monitoring the views and opinions of Rangers fans across the globe, you cannot fail to have concluded that there is a groundswell of opinion in favour of the Scottish Football League, Division 3 route and, in a number of recent polls on various supporter web sites, fans have voted overwhelmingly for this option, and those views have been significantly reinforced by the statements made by Thompson, Romanov and others over the past two days.
Whilst I fully appreciate these are merely ‘straw’ pools, they are nonetheless persuasive, particularly in the absence of any other meaningful indicators. These polls are not the ‘knee – jerk’ reactions of a few disgruntled Rangers fans but, rather, the considered views of fans who are being treated unjustly and unreasonably by those who have failed in their bid to obliterate the club and now wish to emasculate it by other means.
I, therefore, implore you, Mr. Green, to help us determine our own future. I ask you to ensure that we are not held to ransom by the SPL and its member clubs. I implore you to withdraw the application now before the SPL.
I also ask that you consult with the supporters before accepting any offer that may emanate from the SPL, particularly if such an offer is founded upon sanctions that will inevitably cripple our club for years to come.
The future of our club is dependent upon your judgement, experience and expertise, although I'm sure you recognise that your judgement, experience and expertise has, to all intents and purposes, been negated by the recent pronouncements of prominent SPL club chairmen.
As you know, it only requires 5 or more clubs to vote no, and Rangers will need to apply to be admitted to Scottish Football League Division Three; so why wait for that to come to passm - we now know it will? Why not take control of our own destiny and opt for the Scottish Football League?
Let me say in conclusion, that I am, personally, very appreciative of the commitment you, and your colleagues, have made to our club in very difficult and trying circumstances, and I am not unmindful of the personal attacks you have endured in recent weeks.
Ranger's fans are, understandably, suspicious and anxious and I know that you appreciate that, even if, at times, you have found their criticisms unpalatable.
We want only what is right and what is just for our club. We have seen regime's come and go; we have seen Chairmen come and go; we have seen Boards and Directors come and go; we have seen managers and players come and go - but we remain!
We will always be here, and we will always support our club. I know you understand that, and I trust you will immediately withdraw your application for SPL status.
I have written this as an open letter, and it is my intention to share it, and your response, with Rangers fans through the various Rangers internet forums.
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I'd give him a B+ for clarity of thought and construction.
However, it's an E- for content.
Typical H*n shite, selfish and without contrition.
Fvck them.
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My understanding is that the main part of this £30m (£20m+) is funds that have to be lodged in advance with HMRC to cover future PAYE, NI and VAT liabilities. Basically a deposit is required due to previous form. Someone might know more about this than me.
Question - does CG have this funding available and if not, what then? Who in their right mind would tie up this amount of cash to play in SFL3? Wages, running costs and upkeep to be funded with no prospect of European income for a minimum of 4 years.
It'd odds on they won't be playing anywhere this season.
Someone on another site had calculated that Hector is apparently looking for Charles to lodge circa. £4m as their "security deposit".
Pleasing.
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Here's an interesting comparison for you......
Darlington FC recently failed to meet a CVA, and did the newco thing Rangers have attempted.
The FA recommended that the new club be relegated by 4 divisions, they have been stripped of their history and are no longer allowed to be named Darlington FC, so they are voting on a new name!
Last season they played in a modern 25,000 seat stadium - they ain't going to need that to play in the Northern League so are moving elsewhere, outside Darlington.
Darlington FC obviously don't consider themselves to be 'RaPeepul'.
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Here's how the cricketing authorities deal with corruption and cheating :-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/22/danger-to-cricket-danish-kaneria
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B-b-b-but whaurzistarz?
:lol: BTW, every time I see your sig, I feel an overwhelming urge to get "In Bruges" banged into the BluRay. Quality film!
That bit where Brendan Gleeson is crawling up the stairs with blood spewing out of him and Luke Kelly singing Raglan Road kills me every time.
Plus Clemence Poesy's in it.
Great fillum.
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One thing that comes across from the RTC blog is the seemingly large number of literate, intelligent Celtic fans. Then you look at that forum and wonder where is the blue equivalent. Maybe if there was a CTC blog it would bring them to the fore. Then again...
Speaking of RTC Bloggers, this is my favourite post to date, from Pete Cowan :-
"Off topic alert – anyone see The Who at the Glasgow Apollo in September 1975? And wee Keithy Moon walks on and roars “Hullo to all the Hibs fans here!” Huge smile on my puss when I heard that…"
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"Rangers Newco" consultation with Kilmarnock FC shareholders and season ticket holders
Ahead of the SPL General Meeting on 4th July, when the member clubs will vote on the "Rangers Newco" application for SPL membership, it is the club's intention to consult directly by post and email with our most important stakeholders - shareholders and season ticket holders.
We are well aware of the strength of feeling that has already been articulated on this issue but believe that it's important for every shareholder and adult season ticket holder to be provided with an opportunity to contribute a personal opinion. The process will build on the successful consultation procedures used with East Stand season ticket holders a few months ago.
Ideally, we would have sent something out this week but with changing events and circumstances, we owe it to our supporters to provide the most up to date facts available.
For that reason, the consultation document is currently scheduled for distribution early next week.
If you have changed your home or email address over the last twelve months and not yet notified the club, please send your up to date contact information by email to general@kilmarnockfc.co.uk or by telephone on 01563 545300 to make sure we get your view.
Michael Johnston
Chairman
Johnston obviously suffering from a bit of anal leakage after the Romanov / Thompson statements. Now he'll be able to say it was the Killie fans choice to say 'no'.
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Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug #SPL clubs are to meet next Thursday to discuss implications of a newco vote. #SPL board expected to put forward recommendations and under the heading 'Any Other Business' are expected to sack that imbecilic twat Doncaster.
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I know I might get shot down for suggesting such a far fetched scenario.....
But do you think this whole Rangers debacle could lead to a funny episode of 'Only an Excuse' this Hogmanay?????
Very possibly and this time we will be able to the real Chick Faeces playing himself as it will be the only work he will be able to get.
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Just a thought, please bear(!) with me:
If the SFA grow a pair and suspend Sevco5088s membership for a year then that would leave 41 senior clubs, or in other words 1 team short.
Would Division three play on with 9 teams for the year until the suspension is served?
Would Spartans/ Cove/ Gala or whomever come into the league to take the place of the suspended club.
Who would make way one the suspension is over?
This is a point that no one has asked and tbh I have no idea of an answer. Perhaps the much vaunted league reconstruction shall happen, but I don't know.
This is mental.
Don't know if it's an issue but there was a story on one of the Aberdeen boards today that Cove Rangers' application for Planning Permission to improve / develop their ground has been KB'd by the local kooncil.
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Nicked from KDS :-
This from FF
I understand that.......
...........despite all the (secretive) promises to the RFFF, Green desperate to get access to this money to fund tax securities.
What is a tax security?
In a situation like ours, once the newco starts trading, the taxman will come along and serve something called a Notice of Requirement. This means that the newco will have to put up a cash security equivalent to say 4 months vat in advance. The taxman will keep this for say 2 years, if you like insurance that the newco pays the VAT on time.
They will also do something similiar for PAYE tax.
If the security is not paid, then the newco is trading illegally, and will be closed.
Green urgently needs to find this money, as he had not considered this.
Meantime, recently failed "bidders" continue to mount there next move.
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Hector - once bitten, twice shy.
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Another good news day, I see. Well done Aberdeen and Lord Hodge. Bye bye Duffers and SevCo.
The Aberdeen story is a FUBAR. They are yet to announce their intentions.
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We knew it should happen,and looks like it is going to.
BDO Stoy Hayward - The iron fist in the iron glove, and the glove is now off.
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Bin the succulent lamb its humble pie for Rangers
Friday 22 June 2012 11:16 am
Alex Thomson
So – 4 July. US Independence Day. Ten in the morning. Hampden Park. The Scottish Premier League gathers for easily the most momentous decision in that League’s brief history (unless there is a change of plan).
Which means they’ll postpone, evade, sidestep or otherwise duck out of lancing the carbuncle once known as Rangers Football Club.
Or not.
For there’s precious little time, a league to be run and tellingly a lot of clubs saying they’ll vote how their fans wish.
Well, Mr SPL Club Chairmen, if that’s really so then you have to vote unanimously “NO” if my unscientific poll of around 1600 emails and tweets is anything to go by.
And I do mean unanimously – not a single message received saying new Rangers should be allowed to play in the SPL.
First up and first prize for wit, verve and style goes to this missive from an Aberdeen supporter, when I asked what club chairman should do on July 4th:
“Wearing a t-shirt, holding a sign and sporting a cap all with the word ‘NO’ written on it, the Aberdeen chairman should walk in denying it is a nice day, saying no, he didn’t ‘have a good journey’ and declining any offer of refreshment. At the start of the meeting, before the prelims are over with, Stewart Milne should stand up and shout ‘No’ across the table. He should repeat this mantra all the way to the car like a very poor 2 Unlimited tribute act and should not stop until he is safely out of Glasgow and up the M9. Just for the avoidance of doubt, ye ken?”
Scores of you say you’re unsure this vote should be taking place at all. As one emailer puts it, it should be a ‘no’:
“However, my main concern is that I am unsure a vote should even be taking place on that date, and the confusion which surrounds what the necessary majority should be for any such vote.”
There does seem a lack of clarity from the SPL about what majority is required for what exactly they are voting on in transferring the SPL share (membership in effect) from old to new Rangers. All I can say is I will try for clarity on this from the SPL next week when I’m back in the UK.
‘It’s a joke, Scottish football is a shambles’
Let us go to Edinburgh, a city currently harbouring some colourful club owners unafraid to speak their minds on the beautiful game. But we’ll reach Vlad in a second. First this:
“I’m a Hearts Fan, Hearts must vote no to a NewCo Rangers on 4 July.
Rangers have been getting away with cheating for years, they got 2nd place last season while withholding Tax and NI, what do the SPL & SFA do??? Absolutely nothing.
It’s a joke, Scottish football is a shambles.”
Not strictly true since the SFA have acted and arguably the SPL have sort of acted. Yet so say all of yous, it seems, inwith and outwith Edinburgh too. The sense runs deep across fans that (fines, buying-ban, points deduction notwithstanding) “Rangers” have just not been punished. A feeling all the more profound given “Rangers” almost clinical inability as an institution to say the word “sorry”.
At the risk of coming over all Elton (well Bernie Taupin to be exact) sorry does seem more than the hardest word for Bain, Greig, Whyte, McClelland, Ogilvie (still incredibly not on gardening leave), Whyte, Murray, Smith, Duff and Phelps oh you do this I’m bored with lists and this one goes on and on…
So Vlad? Well I think I can say it’s a No from Hearts owner and media-critic Vladimir Romanov who wrote:
“Without these people football will become cleaner and stronger. Without Murdoch the whole of society will improve, in particular sport and culture.
“Supporters deserve a new beginning and have to accept the fact that their club has to start from the lower league, keeping order in the SPL and without creating unfair competition.”
Vlad’s on fire, wishing to take Murdoch Money out of the SPL along with “Rangers”.
I’m trying to contact him in Lithuania, I sense an interview though on legal grounds, possibly pre-recorded don’t you feel?
Ah..Vlad the Impaler…. Makes Alex Ferguson look like Shirley Temple.
Along with the ‘noes’ a huge consensus over what a ‘yes’ will mean. If fans are to be believed a mass exodus from the game from lifelong loyals across Scotland is likely. Let a Hibs fan speak for you all:
“I would like those running Hibernian FC to vote no to Newco. If Newco get into the SPL Scottish football is finished as far as I’m concerned, I’ll not be back. It will no longer be a sport, it’ll be nothing more than a corrupt business as far as I’m concerned and I will not put another penny into that.”
Calling your bluff?
But will he? Will you all? Will you really (as they say) “walk away”? If it’s a ‘yes’ then every ‘yes’ vote is a statement to call your bluff, the sense that fans cannot, will not, let go, no matter what they say.
Meanwhile in Motherwell, the sense from so many that too many with too much power in Scottish football are causing revulsion among fans by acting is if it’s about money, money, money, oh – and money:
“As a Motherwell fan, I’m sure I represent every fans’ views here by saying no to the newco. The club must put integrity before money. I would be disgusted with my club should we not show courage.
What if …We take out a 500m loan, buy Messi and Ronaldo, pay their wages via EBT.
Next season we will win league, and domestic cups. We will liquidate next season but come back as newco “the Motherwell ” not paying any of the debt/tax, keeping our “tainted” trophies and sail back into the SPL?”
Well – UEFA? Far-fetched? Of course, but in principle not so far different from Ibrox in practice. The notion of phoenix-like ascending from the fires of liquidation to the cool green turf of the SPL top-flight is just plain offensive to many people, let alone fans of other SPL teams.
Or take this view – which if my inbox is anything to go by, would be endorsed by many “Rangers” fans too, here argued with eloquence and wit:
“From every fan I’ve sat in the pub with chewing the fat over this ongoing farce, from my seemingly torture tolerant friends who follow St Mirren to Inverness on Boxing Day for the meaningless 0-0 endurance tests, to the Green Brigade fanatics who won’t rest until “Sevco” are sent to Wales without a football to play with – all in unflinching agreement that they will not return to the stands next season if Rangers are involved in anything but a cup wildcard fixture – it surely can’t be argued that Scottish Football will be better off, financially or otherwise, with a newco Rangers involved.
If they are demoted though, justice is seen to be done by the public, Rangers (who will celebrate three league wins in the first three seasons, so hardly a tale of woe there either) are seen to be made to pay for their wrongdoings and clubs like Hearts, Motherwell and Dundee United start a season with a realistic crack of playing Champions League qualifiers in Malta or Albania the following year.
Everyone outside Govan feeds off the new sense of fair play and competition which has a proven record of boosting attendances in any sport and Celtic fans are chuffed with winning the league before having to decide what to buy the kids for Christmas.
They say that the TV stations always win in the end and even though they have little say in the vote this time, I fear it will be ESPN and Sky who benefit most with a huge uptake in the sports packages next season… and Old Firm games still available to broadcast.”
If there are big holes in this last scenario, I for one would like to know, as would lots of “start-again-in-div-3″ Bluenoses. Seems a win-win all round.
And then there’s Falkirk. When I asked for SPL club supporters that’s pretty much what I got. Except Falkirk. Annoyed of Falkirk. What about Falkirk? Not fair of Falkirk. Falkirk of Falkirk.
So I give in. Patsy that I am. For sheer persistence and…and…whatever, here’s Fakirk speaking for fans of Scottish Football League clubs:
“Many clubs have slogged it out year after year for well over a century in various leagues and they all aim to reach the top. The idea that a new club are able to apply for SPL membership yet, clubs who have been in the game all this time are not allowed the same opportunity frankly bizarre. We could well be bypassed in our ambitions and over 100 years of effort, by a new club and we have no say in the matter. As far as I know not even courtesy of other clubs asking for an opinion or offer of an explanation.”
Ok – Falkirk. Happy? Happier?
Finally let me leave you with this. It’s an extract from one of hundreds of letters from fans’ currently pouring into SPL clubs across Scotland imploring chairmen to vote ‘no’. Or here, to go with fans in the grounds, not the TV money from those in the sitting rooms. Dundee United in this case, but that’s irrelevant:
“A YES vote would be going against the wishes of more or less the entire United support. It would show that you value the money generated by the typical armchair fan – who rarely, if at all, attends matches in person) more than the hard earned money from the loyal fans who pay to watch United week in week out, season after season, decade after decade.”
We now know ESPN/Sky will fund SPL football they say, regardless of “Rangers” absence, if current indications are anything to go by.
The boss up at Inverness says the club’s had so many ‘No’ letters it cannot possibly answer them in person. The chairman says the club will base its vote on the overwhelming ‘no’ vote of Inverness Caledonian Thistle fans.
But…but…he also mentions the need to consider business implications too. Spot the get-out clause Mr Chairman.
For all the noisy, hysterical clamour from sections of the Glasgow press that “Rangers” must somehow be saved because, well because it sells papers – every day posties across Scotland rather more quietly send another message to football club chairmen all over Scotland: bin the succulent lamb – it’s humble pie for “Rangers” sake and for football’s sake.
You can follow Alex on Twitter @alextomo
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Sarcasm, kid, it's called sarcasm.
Smiley's then granpa, smiley's.
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Jim Spence has either been sold a pup or he has made a monumental fvck up. Cardinal sin for journo, especially as he was riding a wave of fanlove.
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Lord Hodge has ordered an inquiry into Duff and Phelps' appointment as administrators.
Them's a-comin' for ya...
Fuxake, they look well dodgy. (Said in a Norman Stanley Fletcher stylee....)
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On the point that Captain Green and The Mysterons seem not to have their banking arrangements sorted out for the Newco, is it not a bit strange that, even with a huge fanbase, and starting out with NO debt, and the (very, very slight) possibility of entry into the SPL, the big banks ain't falling over themselves to get New Rangers' business and offer them overdraft facilities? Or is it just me?
There is nowt for the banks to go on.
They don't know who owns the stadium / MP.
They don't know the situation re. playing staff.
They don't know the situation re. income (ST's)
They have BDO / HMRC / Strathclyde's finest waiting in the wings.
Craig Whyte / Dave King waiting in the wings.
Cardigan Consortium waiting in the wings.
A right mess. Would you entertain that lot if you were a lender ?
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He won't thank you for that, he's an arab.
Whoops, is he really ?
Apologies James. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
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Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
in Celtic v Rangers, Rangers v Celtic
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Jim Traynor has "a female companion" ? Well I never................