Shuggie_Murray7 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Ah. The old slagging HHH for no reason thing. I was wondering how long it would take for that to start up again. Just what I was thinking. I mean Vince doesn't handle the day to day business, but all decisions still go through him no? The final word on what happens is still down to Vince right? As it says theres were 6 different scripts written up, so Triple H is a dick for NOT going with the one that would have be stupid? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Think I pointed out several times a few pages ago that HHH is still a p***k. Thought it would have taken longer to be proved right. I agree. I hate the way that he squashed Punk by attacking him, making himself look good whilst the biggest asset to the company looks like shit. Oh wait, that didn't happen, because HHH didn't allow it to happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forehead7 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I hope Punk has ditched the Nexus now. No need to have him surrounded by glorified jobbers, especially Otunga. I don't get the hate for HHH, regardless of how you feel about him personally, he's not stupid. He's not going to f**k up the company just to put himself over or whatever. At some point HHH will lose to Punk, that I can see happening and that's not a bad thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Just watched that again and they've really made an arse out of Punk's return. Surely it would have been better to have Cena's music interrupted by cult of Personality as it was, but not have Punk come out, just have Cena look confused by the interruption. Do it exactly the same every week in the build to SummerSlam, then have Cena retain the title in the SS main event (Rey's rematch maybe), get Cult of Personality on and have Punk either come out on top of the stage just staring down or stand at the top of the stairs in the crowd with the belt as he did when he left, that way you've built his return up to frenzy point and have it in the closing stages of one of the biggest PPV's of the year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forehead7 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Was just thinking, they should have Punk start using the Pepsi Plunge as a "f**k you" to HHH, and then have him beat HHH with it eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Just watched that again and they've really made an arse out of Punk's return. Surely it would have been better to have Cena's music interrupted by cult of Personality as it was, but not have Punk come out, just have Cena look confused by the interruption. Do it exactly the same every week in the build to SummerSlam, then have Cena retain the title in the SS main event (Rey's rematch maybe), get Cult of Personality on and have Punk either come out on top of the stage just staring down or stand at the top of the stairs in the crowd with the belt as he did when he left, that way you've built his return up to frenzy point and have it in the closing stages of one of the biggest PPV's of the year. The WWE are in the business of selling PPVs though. Having Punk come back on free TV in the build-up to the PPV is more likely to increase the buyrate than having him appear as a surprise. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) At the end of the day, it is all about ratings and the buy rates for PPV's. Having him off screen doesn't really make sense comercially. Just look at the amount of tee shirts he has sold this week alone. No-one has been this over since Austin's heyday. The big thing that worried me about Raw this week was the lack of credible heels on the show. Miz, Truth and ADL were the only ones on screen. It was a veritable facefest. Cena, Rey,, Punk, HHH and JR all got pushed. All of them are stronger than any of the heels they have at the moment. The company needs a monster heel quickly. Only way to do that is turn Cena. Edited July 28, 2011 by Musketeer Gripweed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Cean won't be turned until Mania. I'm sure of it. Anyway, he's technically the heel in the feud. Also love Punk's new/old music. The first few seconds, the little riff at the start, are iconic, like the Austin smashing glass. Tremendous. Also it might be a small thing, but the fact that Punk is shaving his body again is a sure indicator that he's babyface now, even if he's not technically playing as one. A lot of heel tend to be hairy as it makes them look more 'heelish' I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forehead7 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Also love Punk's new/old music. The first few seconds, the little riff at the start, are iconic, like the Austin smashing glass. Tremendous. Also it might be a small thing, but the fact that Punk is shaving his body again is a sure indicator that he's babyface now, even if he's not technically playing as one. A lot of heel tend to be hairy as it makes them look more 'heelish' I suppose. That's AJ Style's tell as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I would have thought it was more to do with new tattoo to be honest, but there you go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggie_Murray7 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 h Just watched that again and they've really made an arse out of Punk's return. Surely it would have been better to have Cena's music interrupted by cult of Personality as it was, but not have Punk come out, just have Cena look confused by the interruption. Do it exactly the same every week in the build to SummerSlam, then have Cena retain the title in the SS main event (Rey's rematch maybe), get Cult of Personality on and have Punk either come out on top of the stage just staring down or stand at the top of the stairs in the crowd with the belt as he did when he left, that way you've built his return up to frenzy point and have it in the closing stages of one of the biggest PPV's of the year. As Punk said in the ESPN interview, SummerSlam is right around the corner and they need their top guy in the company in the PPV. Playing the song week in week out pretty much gives away that it's him, after 1 week even casual fans realise that it's his old ROH music. Was just thinking, they should have Punk start using the Pepsi Plunge as a "f**k you" to HHH, and then have him beat HHH with it eventually. Never going to happen. One of the few things I hated about Punk in the indies...far too dangerous a move The WWE are in the business of selling PPVs though. Having Punk come back on free TV in the build-up to the PPV is more likely to increase the buyrate than having him appear as a surprise. Agreed, after the last 4 weeks, Punk = money, it would be the stupidest thing ever to leave him off the SS card. Cean won't be turned until Mania. I'm sure of it. Anyway, he's technically the heel in the feud. Also love Punk's new/old music. The first few seconds, the little riff at the start, are iconic, like the Austin smashing glass. Tremendous. Also it might be a small thing, but the fact that Punk is shaving his body again is a sure indicator that he's babyface now, even if he's not technically playing as one. A lot of heel tend to be hairy as it makes them look more 'heelish' I suppose. Excuse me for being extremely gay, but hasn't Punk been shaven since he returned as leader of Nexus? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker_d Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Ah. The old slagging HHH for no reason thing. I was wondering how long it would take for that to start up again. No reason? You not been paying attention the last 15 years? At some point HHH will lose to Punk, that I can see happening and that's not a bad thing. We'll see... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 The WWE are in the business of selling PPVs though. Having Punk come back on free TV in the build-up to the PPV is more likely to increase the buyrate than having him appear as a surprise. As Shuggie said though, if they played it week in - week out during the build-up to SS, everyone knows it's him, but there's still a bit of mystique to it if he doesn't appear straight away, and mystique sells big - 'Takers pre 'Mania vignettes, Jericho's "Save Me" videos for example, people would buy it to see if it definitely was him and see what he was going to do, but as you've said, they've now given it away on free TV. I just think it's a wasted opportunity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a bairn Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Cult of Personality-Probably one of the few songs that works as a WWE theme and a general song. Brilliant stuff. Cm Punk! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Not sure if anyone's interested but you can watch old wwf raw on Justin.tv there's a channel in the sports section showing 97 to 02. Caught some last night, it was just after summerslam 99 where the rock was absolutely massive and its coming up to the bit where steph becomes a heel. Some quality stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M0rtonfc Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I really don't understand why you think HHH is a dick, has has he done in the past to prove your point?. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 No reason? You not been paying attention the last 15 years? You're a fucking spacker and I have no interest in discussing anything with you. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 This is the big bad HHH who controls everything and has the final say on everything, not the owner of the company Vince McMahon. This is the awful HHH that has been champion numerous times even though the fans never reacted to him and he's a rubbish wrestler and character. This is the same HHH that has refused to let new stars win over him. Oh wait, no it's not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 This is the big bad HHH who controls everything and has the final say on everything, not the owner of the company Vince McMahon. This is the awful HHH that has been champion numerous times even though the fans never reacted to him and he's a rubbish wrestler and character. This is the same HHH that has refused to let new stars win over him. Oh wait, no it's not. The bit in bold is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Triple H is a c**t. Vince McMahon is a c**t. Hulk Hogan is a c**t. Ric Flair is a c**t. In fact, one of the few good guys is Mick Foley. The fact is, most people in wrestling/business aren't very likable as people, but they are fantastic entertainers and that's all we should judge them on IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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