grumswall Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Pretty poor show from the fans who cheered when buchanan went off today. He's been pish but he's still our player for the remainder of the season, unfortunately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buchan30 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Pretty poor show from the fans who cheered when buchanan went off today. He's been pish but he's still our player for the remainder of the season, unfortunately. I know he has been poor, but you can see it’s frustrating him as much as it is frustrating us as fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, grumswall said: Pretty poor show from the fans who cheered when buchanan went off today. He's been pish but he's still our player for the remainder of the season, unfortunately. It's the only way Buchanan will ever generate a cheer at Stark's unfortunately. An absolutely atrocious signing he's been. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I get that but what use is it to essentially ridicule one of our own players 3 games into the league campaign? I think he's past his sell by date but to cheer him being subbed off is idiotic. He's here for the season regardless of how he performs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers 1883 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Personal point here, but wanted to comment on an observation over the years. I have noticed on all fans forums and the tension between fans who are accused of “criticising players/management” and fans who “support un-Waveringly”players/managers. Aka. The boo boys versus the happy clappers. You see/hear this in the stands every week between fans of differing opinions. I feel that as a fan you should say what you see, not what you want to see. So if the team /manager/individual players are good and we are playing well, like we have done over various points of RRFC history, then celebrate that and wax lyrical! However, if the team/players or manager is shite then you have a right as a fan and paying customer who travels home and away to say it’s shite! I have never understood why by simply voicing your opinion, even a negative one, based on what you see, you become less of a fan? I read this forum and this whole “back the manager” “get behind the team” nonsense is thrown out all the time. If we followed this strange logic we would still have grant Murray in charge. Or if you want to go more recently we would currently be playing in non-league with a Gary Locke in charge if we weren’t allowed to expect better or criticise players/mangers/tactics/signing policy/the board. We are all passionate fans and paying customers, so fans being honest is crucial for any football club to gauge the temperature of their support. So. Smith is shite. His tactics are shite. Buchannan is finished. Our football is awful. Our tactics are abysmal. I will still be there at Airdrie. I still have my season ticket. I still love Raith Rovers. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RioRab Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, Rovers 1883 said: Personal point here, but wanted to comment on an observation over the years. I have noticed on all fans forums and the tension between fans who are accused of “criticising players/management” and fans who “support un-Waveringly”players/managers. Aka. The boo boys versus the happy clappers. You see/hear this in the stands every week between fans of differing opinions. I feel that as a fan you should say what you see, not what you want to see. So if the team /manager/individual players are good and we are playing well, like we have done over various points of RRFC history, then celebrate that and wax lyrical! However, if the team/players or manager is shite then you have a right as a fan and paying customer who travels home and away to say it’s shite! I have never understood why by simply voicing your opinion, even a negative one, based on what you see, you become less of a fan? I read this forum and this whole “back the manager” “get behind the team” nonsense is thrown out all the time. If we followed this strange logic we would still have grant Murray in charge. Or if you want to go more recently we would currently be playing in non-league with a Gary Locke in charge if we weren’t allowed to expect better or criticise players/mangers/tactics/signing policy/the board. We are all passionate fans and paying customers, so fans being honest is crucial for any football club to gauge the temperature of their support. So. Smith is shite. His tactics are shite. Buchannan is finished. Our football is awful. Our tactics are abysmal. I will still be there at Airdrie. I still have my season ticket. I still love Raith Rovers. So your a boo boy fan then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 If we fail to win next week Smith must be on a very sticky wicket. Lose, and it's 5 points from 4 games. Draw and it's 6 points from 4 games, which is still not good enough. Then it's Forfar at home. If we fail to pick up a win out of the next two games then he will surely be finished. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 @rovers1883 I'm far from a happy clapper but ridiculing the players we have signed up, 3 league games into the season isn't helping anyone. I think the likes of buchanan is past it but cheering him going off is nonsensical. Why will he bother his arse next week if he's still getting paid and being ridiculed for trying? We all pay our money to watch it but there's a time and a place to criticise the players and it isn't in the manner that happened today with buchanan. The problem is the manager, his tactics and the way he's wasted his budget for this season (such as it was) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Buchanan hasn't bothered his backside since he signed for us. He's come to us on a nice little earner to see out the last couple of years of his career. He saw us coming a mile away, unfortunately for us. Also, what happened to him today will have happened to other players at grounds all over the country today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Buchanan hasn't bothered his backside since he signed for us. He's come to us on a nice little earner to see out the last couple of years of his career. He saw us coming a mile away, unfortunately for us. Also, what happened to him today will have happened to other players at grounds all over the country today. On your final point, and? We're struggling 3 games into the season and cheering someone who is going to start more games than not for the foreseeable future being subbed off is a good thing? Buchanan looked pretty good his first 10 (rough number) games for us. His first touch was good and he was scoring the chances he should have been. He's turned to shit since but its just pathetic listening to him being cheered off the pitch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers 1883 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, grumswall said: @rovers1883 I'm far from a happy clapper but ridiculing the players we have signed up, 3 league games into the season isn't helping anyone. I think the likes of buchanan is past it but cheering him going off is nonsensical. Why will he bother his arse next week if he's still getting paid and being ridiculed for trying? We all pay our money to watch it but there's a time and a place to criticise the players and it isn't in the manner that happened today with buchanan. The problem is the manager, his tactics and the way he's wasted his budget for this season (such as it was) Fully agree Grumswall. Booing the player isn’t really productive. However, it is a sign of the fans wanting the manager to see what they see! That’s always what booing is. A sign of displeasure and you hope those it were intended for get the message. You are right, the manager is the problem. If you strip it back it is actually his fault for signing him in the first place as he is clearly past it, yet he starts him for over a year due to his loyalty. When he inevitably plays poorly he is basically being thrown to the lions in front of the home crowd. Not buchannans fault he is past it but it’s not helping the manger or the player or the supporters so he should be taken out of the side for good unless we have injuries or as a late sub. I think maybe you or someone else said he looks frustrated. Absolutely right, he look frustrated because he knows he is finished. Edited August 18, 2018 by Rovers 1883 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR #1 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, grumswall said: @rovers1883 I'm far from a happy clapper but ridiculing the players we have signed up, 3 league games into the season isn't helping anyone. I think the likes of buchanan is past it but cheering him going off is nonsensical. Why will he bother his arse next week if he's still getting paid and being ridiculed for trying? We all pay our money to watch it but there's a time and a place to criticise the players and it isn't in the manner that happened today with buchanan. The problem is the manager, his tactics and the way he's wasted his budget for this season (such as it was) I reckon any decent professional would try extra hard to prove his critics wrong the next game if he had been jeered by the fans. Are you seriously saying the reaction he received today would justify him not trying next week? IMO he should think himself lucky the fans have been this patient with him. He has already had one entire season of being pish. Without doubt he is one of the most disappointing signings in my time watching the Rovers. I for one won't be shy at venting my frustrations in the forthcoming matches. Fucking boooo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Buchanan at the time he was signed was either the top or second top goalscorer in this division so on paper was a good signing.He wasnt booed off he was cheered off. Which is where my issue lies.Rr #1, you seem to make an ussumption he is a decent professional? In fairness to him I don't think it's through lack of trying that he's pish now. He's just lost what he had. He's also a bit of a bellend to speak to though... Boo all you want. I'm just saying how shite it is that one of our players was cheered off the pitch because he was so shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers 1883 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, RioRab said: So your a boo boy fan then? No I’d call myself a realist based on the post like most fans I’d expect. Say what you see. Glass 50/50 kind of approach. Yourself? Edited August 18, 2018 by Rovers 1883 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Balance to be had over the “back the manager” stuff. All very well saying it’s pish but some would have had McKinnon out in the January of that season, that would have been a huge mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Buchanan is trying very hard, of that I have no doubt. He just looks like a 32 year old whose best days are clearly behind him. Not sharp enough and hasn't been since he signed. Smith is incredibly fortunate that we both managed to get far enough up the pitch to get the second pen, and that Dumbarton got a late goal. Its a matter of time though unfortunately. Any time any positivity has started to build its flown out the window the next week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 8 hours ago, grumswall said: He's also a bit of a bellend to speak to though... Every time I've spoken to Buchanan I've found him to be exceptionally polite and easy to speak to. It hasn't really worked out for him so far at the Rovers but to be fair to the player, he spent most of last season having high balls shelled at his heid. That's similar to asking Kevin Byers to write a book on how to pick up supermodels. We're only three games in to this season so I'm willing to give him a wee bit of time yet. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC_Lachlan Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Barry couldn't motivate a Labrador to eat its dinner. #SmithOut 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Diamond Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 boo boys, happy clappers, this thread is starting to read like the Airdrie threads of the past couple of seasons, thankfully we seem to be over it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdrie76 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Old Diamond said: boo boys, happy clappers, this thread is starting to read like the Airdrie threads of the past couple of seasons, thankfully we seem to be over it. We had a melt down last week on ours! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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