The New Raith Rovers Thread

[grumswall]

Are you not concerned by this pattern? It's clear the players have no belief when we go behind and to me that's in the main due to Murray's apparently clueless response from the dugout. 
We've fallen behind 9 times this season and not once scored an equalising goal, never mind gotten anything from the match. 
If he can't see that he's the problem here then he needs someone to tell him. 

I'm not overly concerned about Murrays performance, no. I always said I'd judge him after the first quarter. We're doing fine. Yes, he can be better and needs to learn, but he's also already shown he has and is trying to learn with it all. He didn't leave us with two defenders on the pitch and 5 strikers today while chasing the game for example. He didn't get the changes right, but he's trying different options. We've came off of a 4 game winning streak and lost 2.
It's a tight league and it's looking very likely its going to be this way for quite a while this season. If you can't deal with it then I'd suggest Scottish football isn't for you tbh.

[TxRover]

1 hour ago, SirJimmyofNic said:

As far as I can make out it was 2014 against Livingston 1 - 5

Agree…three other 5 goal conceded loses since then, but all on the road.

[SirJimmyofNic]

4 minutes ago, TxRover said:

Agree…three other 5 goal conceded loses since then, but all on the road.

Aye and the season before that Hearts put 5 past us, thankfully it was a pre season friendly lol

Edited November 19, 2022 by SirJimmyofNic

[renton]

11 hours ago, Scary Bear said:

His go to when we’re losing is to sub on forwards. Has it ever worked?

With no Easton or Matthews available yesterday, his options to change or reinforce midfield were fairly negligible. 

I mean, I kind of agree with @Ro Sham Bo that his game management when we are losing isn't great (on the other hand he's shown he can close a game out from a winning position which is more than McGlynn managed last season) but at the same time I don't think he had any better options yesterday than to chuck strikers on.

The last two games have been notable for how passive and outworked I feel our midfield has been. Other games they have pressed well and won the ball back in the opposition half but not in the last two games. Maybe that's tiredness or fatigue? Certainly the last two weeks I'd have loved the option of bringing on Matthews alongside Brown to add extra dig but that doesn't seem feasible now if his pre season injury has flared back up.

For all the chat pre season about having more than enough midfield options we actually look fairly stretched there now...

[pub car king]

Think we should go 2 up top for the cup game and hopefully give all 4 strikers meaningful game time if the score allows. I'd actually start big John in this one but I'd be apprehensive to playing Vaughan against a bunch of joiners and posties.

Possibly even go for a 442 or a 4132. 

 

[Ro Sham Bo]

1 hour ago, pub car king said:

Think we should go 2 up top for the cup game and hopefully give all 4 strikers meaningful game time if the score allows. I'd actually start big John in this one but I'd be apprehensive to playing Vaughan against a bunch of joiners and posties.

Possibly even go for a 442 or a 4132. 

 

I wonder what Frederiksen was thinking yesterday. I think he is going to be this season's equivalent of Riley-Snow.

[CALDERON]

3rd highest in the league in terms of shots on target, 7th in terms of goals scored.

[CountryBumpkin]

35 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

I wonder what Frederiksen was thinking yesterday. I think he is going to be this season's equivalent of Riley-Snow.

I can only assume he's just no more than average in training. I'd start him against the Talbot but I'd be hooking him off the first time he controls a ball and it fires off about 10 yards in any direction. 

[baillieinleeds]

On 16/11/2022 at 14:36, Talbot supporter said:

Thanks for the replies, yous should win about 3 or 4 but you never know.

That’s the excitement of the cup. Just enjoy the day as we all should. 

[baillieinleeds]

I’ve now decided to not to get angry anymore. Just wish Murray didn’t say we’d never be out played and out fought, because this has been the case in several games, especially yesterdays game. We struggle against teams that want to win. We don’t have that, and we also lack a strong strike force. Thank god for Aidan Connolly. He is without doubt our best player. 

[Specky Ginger]

1 hour ago, CountryBumpkin said:

I can only assume he's just no more than average in training. I'd start him against the Talbot but I'd be hooking him off the first time he controls a ball and it fires off about 10 yards in any direction. 

Probably best not to.

Otherwise we could be disrupting the shape of the team after only three minutes.

[SirJimmyofNic]

28 minutes ago, baillieinleeds said:

I’ve now decided to not to get angry anymore. Just wish Murray didn’t say we’d never be out played and out fought, because this has been the case in several games, especially yesterdays game. We struggle against teams that want to win. We don’t have that, and we also lack a strong strike force. Thank god for Aidan Connolly. He is without doubt our best player. 

If someone comes in for him in January, we'll find goals even harder to come by

[raith1974]

25 minutes ago, baillieinleeds said:

I’ve now decided to not to get angry anymore. Just wish Murray didn’t say we’d never be out played and out fought, because this has been the case in several games, especially yesterdays game. We struggle against teams that want to win. We don’t have that, and we also lack a strong strike force. Thank god for Aidan Connolly. He is without doubt our best player. 

We also lack experience. Been saying it since first game of the season we need an experienced head at the back and the same up top. Too many inexperienced players. I'll probably get shot down for this but Marc McNulty is still without a club.

[JaketheSnake]

11 minutes ago, raith1974 said:

We also lack experience. Been saying it since first game of the season we need an experienced head at the back and the same up top. Too many inexperienced players. I'll probably get shot down for this but Marc McNulty is still without a club.

I totally forgot about him. I'd happily get Connell to f**k and bring McNulty in. 

[raith1974]

6 minutes ago, JaketheSnake said:

I totally forgot about him. I'd happily get Connell to f**k and bring McNulty in. 

Connell should never have been signed, its all very well having the odd good game but no consistency and not a Championship player. Big John I get the feeling is the same. Lewis is a great player but not a number 9.

[kirkcaldybanjo111]

If defenders allow forwards to keep coming at them without tackling you lose goals.

[CountryBumpkin]

14 minutes ago, kirkcaldybanjo111 said:

If defenders allow forwards to keep coming at them without tackling you lose goals.

Not quite as easy as that though is it. Numerous times yesterday in the second half, our left back was being doubled up on because no midfielder was tracking back to help him, he couldn't just go "tackle" because he would lose regardless. Our whole game yesterday was just off, at every position. 

[SirJimmyofNic]

Regarding McNulty, there has to be a damn good reason hes still out of contract, given Arbroath, and a few others are crying out for a striker and we signed The Helicopter over him so something must be wrong with him  

[JAR]

I just wish we would start playing with two up front & a higher press. Other teams can come at us without any pressure & generally outscore us. 

[Hank Scorpio]

12 hours ago, SirJimmyofNic said:

Regarding McNulty, there has to be a damn good reason hes still out of contract, given Arbroath, and a few others are crying out for a striker and we signed The Helicopter over him so something must be wrong with him  

I think the fact he’ll want about £5k a week will be a stumbling block for every club in the division. Folk claiming we should get rid of Connell and bring him need to come along and join us in the real world. Has it not occurred to anyone that Connell is in all likelihood not being paid very much by us? That switch alone would probably cost the club an extra £15k+ a month. Not in any way, shape or form a realistic option. 

I’ve not read anything other than the posts on this page about the game, nor the other thread, but it’s the same knee jerk stuff after a defeat, although this obviously wasn’t ideal. Up until the game on Saturday, I think we had the joint best defensive record in the league. You don’t get to that after a third of the season whilst “needing an experienced head”. We were very clearly doing something right. We had a bad game. Move on, keep doing what we were doing prior to that - not losing very many goals.