Shandon Par Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 22 minutes ago, Florentine_Pogen said: Following your advice and instructions, was she ? Solid advice there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 They know me so well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Saudi Arabia to get first alcohol shop in more than 70 years - BBC News Quote The clientele will be limited to diplomatic staff, who have for years imported booze in sealed official packages known as diplomatic pouches. I can see where this is going, it will not end well. Quote Prohibition has been law since 1952, after one of King Abdulaziz's sons drunkenly shot dead a British diplomat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 US inmate faces first nitrogen execution. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68089279 Leaving aside the capital punishment debate in general, how hard is it to kill someone 'humanely'? They've already botched an execution by lethal injection and have now come up with a new experimental way to do it. Why can't they just put people to sleep as if they're in for an op, up the dose a bit so they don't wake up? Bonkers country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: US inmate faces first nitrogen execution. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68089279 Leaving aside the capital punishment debate in general, how hard is it to kill someone 'humanely'? They've already botched an execution by lethal injection and have now come up with a new experimental way to do it. Why can't they just put people to sleep as if they're in for an op, up the dose a bit so they don't wake up? Bonkers country. I think death by nitrogen asphyxiation would be quite a peaceful way to go, if you never knew it was happening. Maybe like you say, anaesthesia then maybe lower the oxygen content of the room. But obviously the yanks have to strap a mask onto him and make it as barbaric as possible.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Saw an article on BBC about 16 year old who broke his neck at weekend playing football. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68086684 I'm not one to contribute to random gofundmes or promote them but we're all fans of the game. https://www.gofundme.com/f/sgzkgb-declans-recovery?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=unknown&utm_campaign=comms_9ks2+sgzkgb-declans-recovery @Div maybe one for you socials? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 21/01/2024 at 19:30, Newbornbairn said: Same nurse came in with a medicine trolley to give my wife her fragmen injection but noticed she was due to get her drink supplement so she wandered off to get that from the fridge. Came back, gave her the drink and wandered off again with her medicine trolley - without giving the fragmen injection. 25 minutes later she hadn't come back and was nowhere to be seen on the ward. Seems incapable of holding two thoughts in her head at the same time. Agency nurses presumably. Surprised she didn’t just drop everything on the floor at the hour mark and say, “that’s my shift done, see you” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I think death by nitrogen asphyxiation would be quite a peaceful way to go, if you never knew it was happening. Maybe like you say, anaesthesia then maybe lower the oxygen content of the room. But obviously the yanks have to strap a mask onto him and make it as barbaric as possible.... I work with nitrogen and carry it around in the van daily. If I were to asphyxiate myself with it (accidentally or otherwise), apparently as you say it'd be painless and pretty much like falling asleep. The other risk is the atmospheric concentration is such this it doesn't kill you, but starves your brain of oxygen and causes permanent damage. The yanks like to make a show of it, and no doubt victims' families etc would see being put to sleep permanently but peacefully as too light a punishment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Zetterlund said: I work with nitrogen and carry it around in the van daily. If I were to asphyxiate myself with it (accidentally or otherwise), apparently as you say it'd be painless and pretty much like falling asleep. The other risk is the atmospheric concentration is such this it doesn't kill you, but starves your brain of oxygen and causes permanent damage. The yanks like to make a show of it, and no doubt victims' families etc would see being put to sleep permanently but peacefully as too light a punishment. Aye everything you ever see about incidents involving nitrogen point to a pretty painless death. Much like CO poisoning. Of course, the context of this discussion is very much ONLY IN AMERICA!!!! thankfully. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Melanius Mullarkant said: Agency nurses presumably. Surprised she didn’t just drop everything on the floor at the hour mark and say, “that’s my shift done, see you” Pretty much sums up the agency nurse's attitude. One of them said she was going to get my wife's scheduled pain meds and went on her break instead. Ward B11 at Forth Valley is a shambles. Loads of agency nurses because of absenteeism and sickness with the regular staff. Bad management. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: Pretty much sums up the agency nurse's attitude. One of them said she was going to get my wife's scheduled pain meds and went on her break instead. Ward B11 at Forth Valley is a shambles. Loads of agency nurses because of absenteeism and sickness with the regular staff. Bad management. Same up in Dundee. Hoaching with them. Bussing them up from Manchester and the likes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 hours ago, Bairnardo said: I think death by nitrogen asphyxiation would be quite a peaceful way to go, if you never knew it was happening. Maybe like you say, anaesthesia then maybe lower the oxygen content of the room. But obviously the yanks have to strap a mask onto him and make it as barbaric as possible.... Given that they invite the relatives of the victim to watch, they do have to make it entertaining. I wonder if they hand out popcorn... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 In counterpoint to the crap nurses thread, I was in St. John's in Livingston from Wednesday of last week to Tuesday of this one, and the nursing staff couldn't have been better. Except for waking me up at 2am to take my blood pressure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 5 hours ago, Zetterlund said: US inmate faces first nitrogen execution. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68089279 Leaving aside the capital punishment debate in general, how hard is it to kill someone 'humanely'? They've already botched an execution by lethal injection and have now come up with a new experimental way to do it. Why can't they just put people to sleep as if they're in for an op, up the dose a bit so they don't wake up? Bonkers country. There’s a few items at play here: 1) The inability of States to get so called “capital punishment” drugs. They were using a two or three drug cocktail, one that knocked them out and then a paralytic to kill them most recently, however drug companies started prohibiting the use of their drugs for this. Since the drugs are controlled, they aren’t that easy to get ahold of, and the States did it through third-parties for a while before it got tightened up and that route was closed. 2) That worked once the in stock medications started aging out/passing the use by date…because if you use a drug after that date it might harm someone…which falls afoul of the “cruel and unusual” punishment issue. 3) That led to States trying new “cocktails”, which started having clearly painful death occur, again causing issues with “cruel and unusual punishment”. 4) That led to a search for new methods that didn’t rely upon controlled medications or experts that might decline to assist. 5) The newer methods are subject to legal appeals simply because no one has studied them to see if they are truly “peaceful” or “merciful” (yes, the irony is completely lost upon the lawmakers involved). 6) Additional issues were occurring with a lack of people trained in placing IV’s willing to participate in executions. Which, of course, results in inexperienced people trying to do the job and botching it. Edited January 25 by TxRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Can't they just shoot them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Always thought the sentence was too extreme https://t.co/OvQvl1qaFV 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Can't they just shoot them? Yes, they can, but there have been several issues there. First the State has to have it designated as a legal option for killing people. Then, in most cases because it’s a multiple method state, the convict has to select that method…Court rulings haven’t cleared shooting as clear on the cruel and unusual issue, but consider the choice to waive that. There have been several boo-boos on firing squads worldwide which allow appeals and court fights, and the last successful one was 2010 in Utah. You also have to find willing shooters, ones you trust will actually shoot on command and aim accurately. This results in strangeness like fixed, single shot weapons, with the State still worried the designated executioners might not fire on command. So you need a decent number of “shooters”, only one gun with a blank and multiple guns with live bullets…but that still leaves possible claims by any two of the shooters regarding trauma from participating. Edited January 25 by TxRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Can't they just shoot them? I think I'd take Kim Jong Un's anti-aircraft gun approach over any of Murica's current options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, TxRover said: Yes, they can, but there have been several issues there. First the State has to have it designated as a legal option for killing people. Then, in most cases because it’s a multiple method state, the convict has to select that method…Court rulings haven’t cleared shooting as clear on the cruel and unusual issue, but consider the choice to waive that. There have been several boo-boos on firing squads worldwide which allow appeals and court fights, and the last successful one was 2010 in Utah. You also have to find willing shooters, ones you trust will actually shoot on command and aim accurately. This results in strangeness like fixed, single shot weapons, with the State still worried the designated executioners might not fire on command. So you need a decent number of “shooters”, only one gun with a blank and multiple guns with live bullets…but that still leaves possible claims by any two of the shooters regarding trauma from participating. I was thinking more blindfolded and a 45 to the back of the skull. Can't miss that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, Zetterlund said: I think I'd take Kim Jong Un's anti-aircraft gun approach over any of Murica's current options. I have a sneaking suspicion that the existence of the death penalty might cause more than a few of the shootouts with police, criminals deciding to go on their own terms. After all, the average death penalty takes 227 months between conviction and execution…yep, 18 years and 11 months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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