GordonD Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 hours ago, Bairnardo said: I think death by nitrogen asphyxiation would be quite a peaceful way to go, if you never knew it was happening. Maybe like you say, anaesthesia then maybe lower the oxygen content of the room. But obviously the yanks have to strap a mask onto him and make it as barbaric as possible.... Given that they invite the relatives of the victim to watch, they do have to make it entertaining. I wonder if they hand out popcorn... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 In counterpoint to the crap nurses thread, I was in St. John's in Livingston from Wednesday of last week to Tuesday of this one, and the nursing staff couldn't have been better. Except for waking me up at 2am to take my blood pressure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 5 hours ago, Zetterlund said: US inmate faces first nitrogen execution. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68089279 Leaving aside the capital punishment debate in general, how hard is it to kill someone 'humanely'? They've already botched an execution by lethal injection and have now come up with a new experimental way to do it. Why can't they just put people to sleep as if they're in for an op, up the dose a bit so they don't wake up? Bonkers country. There’s a few items at play here: 1) The inability of States to get so called “capital punishment” drugs. They were using a two or three drug cocktail, one that knocked them out and then a paralytic to kill them most recently, however drug companies started prohibiting the use of their drugs for this. Since the drugs are controlled, they aren’t that easy to get ahold of, and the States did it through third-parties for a while before it got tightened up and that route was closed. 2) That worked once the in stock medications started aging out/passing the use by date…because if you use a drug after that date it might harm someone…which falls afoul of the “cruel and unusual” punishment issue. 3) That led to States trying new “cocktails”, which started having clearly painful death occur, again causing issues with “cruel and unusual punishment”. 4) That led to a search for new methods that didn’t rely upon controlled medications or experts that might decline to assist. 5) The newer methods are subject to legal appeals simply because no one has studied them to see if they are truly “peaceful” or “merciful” (yes, the irony is completely lost upon the lawmakers involved). 6) Additional issues were occurring with a lack of people trained in placing IV’s willing to participate in executions. Which, of course, results in inexperienced people trying to do the job and botching it. Edited January 25 by TxRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Can't they just shoot them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Always thought the sentence was too extreme https://t.co/OvQvl1qaFV 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Can't they just shoot them? Yes, they can, but there have been several issues there. First the State has to have it designated as a legal option for killing people. Then, in most cases because it’s a multiple method state, the convict has to select that method…Court rulings haven’t cleared shooting as clear on the cruel and unusual issue, but consider the choice to waive that. There have been several boo-boos on firing squads worldwide which allow appeals and court fights, and the last successful one was 2010 in Utah. You also have to find willing shooters, ones you trust will actually shoot on command and aim accurately. This results in strangeness like fixed, single shot weapons, with the State still worried the designated executioners might not fire on command. So you need a decent number of “shooters”, only one gun with a blank and multiple guns with live bullets…but that still leaves possible claims by any two of the shooters regarding trauma from participating. Edited January 25 by TxRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Can't they just shoot them? I think I'd take Kim Jong Un's anti-aircraft gun approach over any of Murica's current options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, TxRover said: Yes, they can, but there have been several issues there. First the State has to have it designated as a legal option for killing people. Then, in most cases because it’s a multiple method state, the convict has to select that method…Court rulings haven’t cleared shooting as clear on the cruel and unusual issue, but consider the choice to waive that. There have been several boo-boos on firing squads worldwide which allow appeals and court fights, and the last successful one was 2010 in Utah. You also have to find willing shooters, ones you trust will actually shoot on command and aim accurately. This results in strangeness like fixed, single shot weapons, with the State still worried the designated executioners might not fire on command. So you need a decent number of “shooters”, only one gun with a blank and multiple guns with live bullets…but that still leaves possible claims by any two of the shooters regarding trauma from participating. I was thinking more blindfolded and a 45 to the back of the skull. Can't miss that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, Zetterlund said: I think I'd take Kim Jong Un's anti-aircraft gun approach over any of Murica's current options. I have a sneaking suspicion that the existence of the death penalty might cause more than a few of the shootouts with police, criminals deciding to go on their own terms. After all, the average death penalty takes 227 months between conviction and execution…yep, 18 years and 11 months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Miguel Sanchez said: I was thinking more blindfolded and a 45 to the back of the skull. Can't miss that. Too close to use more than one shooter, so the executioner “knows” they did the job, which isn’t considered acceptable. Also, to be honest, it’s not assured. There have been a number of people in robberies and such shot in the head and survived. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 19 minutes ago, GordonD said: In counterpoint to the crap nurses thread, I was in St. John's in Livingston from Wednesday of last week to Tuesday of this one, and the nursing staff couldn't have been better. Except for waking me up at 2am to take my blood pressure. "Your blood pressure is quite high, Mr D" "No bloody wonder, you woke me up at this time of night" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 hours ago, Zetterlund said: US inmate faces first nitrogen execution. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68089279 Leaving aside the capital punishment debate in general, how hard is it to kill someone 'humanely'? They've already botched an execution by lethal injection and have now come up with a new experimental way to do it. Why can't they just put people to sleep as if they're in for an op, up the dose a bit so they don't wake up? Bonkers country. There was a wee bit on the news here last night. Some protester type want's further testing to make sure "it's safe". I thought the whole point was to ensure it WASN'T safe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 hours ago, GordonD said: In counterpoint to the crap nurses thread, I was in St. John's in Livingston from Wednesday of last week to Tuesday of this one, and the nursing staff couldn't have been better. Except for waking me up at 2am to take my blood pressure. "Wake up until I take your blood pressure. Now just lie still" "I was, until you woke me up!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Maybe they should just drain all the blood out of them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Can't they just shoot them? No, they only shoot kids and innocent people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Maybe they should just drain all the blood out of them? Like veal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I thought this... Call for prison care home for ageing sex offenders - BBC News ...used to be this... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 This is what your scrotum would look like if you shat your pants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 34 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: This is what your scrotum would look like if you shat your pants. Genuinely close to being juiced as an orange. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, TxRover said: Genuinely close to being juiced as an orange. That's your future king you're talking about! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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