Unpopular opinions.

[vikingTON]

10 minutes ago, throbber said:

Why are you claiming that not every obese person has an addiction? They clearly have an addiction to consuming too many calories which is in turn making then overweight and making their life worse. 

'Calories' do not confer any addictive properties whatsoever. This is just more pseudo-scientific nonsense and is quite frankly insulting to those who suffer from genuine addictions that their psychochemical attachment is being equated to somebody who can't steer clear of a buffet table or get off their arse and do some exercise.

[ICTChris]

People who are overweight are not addicts. They consume a few too many calories. This is not an illness. There are issues with our food culture, our society, how we educate people about food, how we organise our domestic lives etc that contribute to increased obesity.

There are also people who eat too much because they like nice food and they don’t have the self control to stop themselves. Everyone is different - I work with a guy who can’t quit smoking, he has tried numerous times, he has has all different treatments but can’t do it. My dad gave up after smoking for 45+ years with a week of patches. My grandfather gave up instantly with no treatments when the doctor told him, he’d been smoking for more than 50 years. 
 

 

[Aufc]

Why are you claiming that not every obese person has an addiction? They clearly have an addiction to consuming too many calories which is in turn making then overweight and making their life worse. Also, what’s your definition of an alcoholic? We have come a long way in the last couple of decades towards understanding addiction a bit more that the term alcoholic doesn’t really apply anymore.

Because an addiction is something that cannot be controlled. Whilst this is true for some obese people, not everyone who is obese/overweight has a food addiction. A lot of them will claim they do.

On the alcoholic thing, you obviously know more than me. I was just speaking generally, rather than getting into detail.

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, Hedgecutter said:

When folk say that a dead body "looked at peace", they know this not to be true and are merely saying it to make themselves and/or others feel better.  There is f*** all peaceful about a face with its mouth (even slightly) open.  Asleep?  Fair enough. Peaceful? Not having it.

If you have a word with the undertaker they can give you some options. They assume most people will go for peaceful. They could do abject horror or mild indignation. I think I might go for a Roger Moore eyebrow.

[ICTChris]

If you are dependent on alcohol you can die without it. I think going into alcoholic withdrawal untreated has an extremely high fatality rate. No-one has ever died from not eating chips.

of course, no-one has ever died from withdrawal from opiates either so maybe I’m being unfair.

[ICTChris]

4 minutes ago, throbber said:

 

The term alcoholic in this day and age rather confuses me and I always want to know what someone’s benchmark for an alcoholic even is. Most people I know like to drink and a lot regularly drink to excess but I don’t know where the alcoholic part comes in to the equation and would like someone to tell me.

There is a medical definition of alcoholism. I think the currently clinical term is alcohol use disorder.

[Sergeant Wilson]

17 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 On the alcoholic thing, you obviously know more than me. 

 

Oooft, @throbber

[19QOS19]

But you can control addiction, that’s how people end up giving up smoking or doing a driathlon etc. What an absurd thing to say.
The term alcoholic in this day and age rather confuses me and I always want to know what someone’s benchmark for an alcoholic even is. Most people I know like to drink and a lot regularly drink to excess but I don’t know where the alcoholic part comes in to the equation and would like someone to tell me.

For me, anyone who sees "Dry January" as any sort achievement.

[Hedgecutter]

8 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

If you have a word with the undertaker they can give you some options. They assume most people will go for peaceful. They could do abject horror or mild indignation. I think I might go for a Roger Moore eyebrow.

Life lesson: if you go for the novelty 'watched the video in The Ring (Japanese version)' option, make sure it's a closed casket funeral.

[ICTChris]

This is the definition of alcohol use disorder from the latest DSM:

A maladaptive pattern of substance use leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by 2 or more of the following, occurring at any time in the same 12-month period:

Alcohol is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended.

There is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control alcohol use.

A great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain alcohol, use alcohol, or recover from its effects.

Craving, or a strong desire or urge to use alcohol.

Recurrent alcohol use resulting in a failure to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, or home.

Continued alcohol use despite having persistent or recurrent social or interpersonal problems caused or exacerbated by the effects of alcohol.

Important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of alcohol use.

Recurrent alcohol use in situations in which it is physically hazardous.

Alcohol use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by alcohol.

Tolerance, as defined by either of the following:

A need for markedly increased amounts of alcohol to achieve intoxication or desired effect.

A markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of alcohol.

Withdrawal, as manifested by either of the following:

The characteristic withdrawal syndrome for alcohol 

Alcohol (or a closely related substance, such as a benzodiazepine) is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms.

[Bairnardo]

This might be unpopular and it might not, but watching Celtic hit a rich vein of form, including Edouard in particular looking just like his old self, is absolutely fantastic viewing.

I mean I still hope St Johnstone nick a 3-2 here, but these players deciding that theres no further point in throwing Lhenny under the bus and instead working to ensure their summer moves must be causing bedlam in the head of TGFITW.

Up them.

[vikingTON]

Just now, throbber said:

Why is it just fat people who get this sort of treatment as if their issues are just as simple as eating less/getting more exercise though? Do you look at a smoker who is developing all sorts of health issues and just say “maybe if you stopped smoking you’d be alright”?

Because their issue is that simple. It is a straightforward input/output equation based on an awareness your body's underlying metabolism. If you work more and consume less then you solve the problem. 

I've no idea why you think that smokers have been given a free pass and I'm more than happy to point out their disgusting habit. 

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Are fat people just an easy target?

I'd certainly fancy my chances against them in a paintball match. 

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If you’re doing something voluntarily on a regular basis that is making your life worse and ruining your health you have an addiction. Also sugar, salt and high fatty foods are addictive substances and over a long enough time line can and will kill you.

Utter pish. Doing something voluntarily and having a psychochemical dependence on a product are two different things. Your claim is a complete contradiction in terms. 

There's no evidence to show that sugar and fat are addictive substances in the sense that alcohol or drugs are. Absolutely none. There is no medically diagnosable withdrawal state from not having a bowl of ice cream. 

[Aufc]

But you can control addiction, that’s how people end up giving up smoking or doing a driathlon etc. What an absurd thing to say.
The term alcoholic in this day and age rather confuses me and I always want to know what someone’s benchmark for an alcoholic even is. Most people I know like to drink and a lot regularly drink to excess but I don’t know where the alcoholic part comes in to the equation and would like someone to tell me.

But for a lot of obese people it is as simple as moving more and eating less. That is the reality. In my opinion, it is easier for someone to eat less compared with someone stopping smoking.

I suppose my definition of an alcoholic is someone who cannot function for one day without alcohol.

[Bairnardo]

Not sure if my previous opinions would put me in the "obese lobby" but I will happily take my hat off to the paintball craic. Open goal, but still.

[ConcernedReferee]

Vinegar is the best chip topping, salt is good too and you can put on any sauce you like (or none at all) but if there's no vinegar I don't even want to know 

[coprolite]

2 hours ago, virginton said:

'Calories' do not confer any addictive properties whatsoever. This is just more pseudo-scientific nonsense and is quite frankly insulting to those who suffer from genuine addictions that their psychochemical attachment is being equated to somebody who can't steer clear of a buffet table or get off their arse and do some exercise.

try going cold turkey from food.  The withdrawal symptoms can be fatal.

[vikingTON]

3 minutes ago, coprolite said:

try going cold turkey from food.  The withdrawal symptoms can be fatal.

Try eating a salad instead. 

[coprolite]

22 hours ago, D.A.F.C said:

Same, I was responding to someone saying crimes were being committed which was a daft puerile post.

 

Ah, i see- apologies

 

[coprolite]

1 hour ago, virginton said:

Try eating a salad instead. 

that's not breaking the addiction- that's just a maintenance dose.

[BFTD]

Fatties definitely seem to be becoming the hate figures du jour. I guess the hundreds of thousands of new benefits claimants over the past year have realised it's a bit of a red neck to keep slagging off the lazy paupers for scrounging off the state. For now.