Cerberus Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Gone are the days where going to university was special. A heavy lack of jobs for school leavers, access courses and setups like University of Paisley dropping the entry bar so low a degree isn't a sign of intelligence but rather an indication that you're not a complete loser. You do need a degree to work in a bank for a little more than minimum wage because all the candidates will have one. Don't go to university to get a great job. Go to university so you're not left with a horrible job. Elite English universities are still stand outs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cerberus said: Gone are the days where going to university was special. A heavy lack of jobs for school leavers, access courses and setups like University of Paisley dropping the entry bar so low a degree isn't a sign of intelligence but rather an indication that you're not a complete loser. You do need a degree to work in a bank for a little more than minimum wage because all the candidates will have one. Don't go to university to get a great job. Go to university so you're not left with a horrible job. Elite English universities are still stand outs. There isn’t a “University of Paisley”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: There isn’t a “University of Paisley”. Edit : University of West of Scotland. Formerly University of Paisley / Dug shit and broken glass / Helplessness and despair 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, D.A.F.C said: 90% of high fliers at work are complete c***s bordering on sociopathic and sometimes psychopathic. The scary thing is the two faced lifestyle they have as outside work they appear normal. What does it say about society when you are encouraged to be a dick to succeed. It's very doubtful that they are. It's more likely that you just don't like them and probably have envy of their achievement so rationalise your feelings by calling them sociopathic or a psychopath. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Cerberus said: Gone are the days where going to university was special. A heavy lack of jobs for school leavers, access courses and setups like University of Paisley dropping the entry bar so low a degree isn't a sign of intelligence but rather an indication that you're not a complete loser. You do need a degree to work in a bank for a little more than minimum wage because all the candidates will have one. Don't go to university to get a great job. Go to university so you're not left with a horrible job. Elite English universities are still stand outs. Economic changes made this inevitable - many jobs that previously didn't require a University degree now do. My dad didn't go to University and worked for many years as a reporter, a job you'd likely need a degree for. He moved from that to run his own business and he said that he looked at an applicant with a University degree as being someone who had demonstrated their ability to achieve something so they could probably learn the job, even if the disciplines didn't totally overlap. Sadly, this line of thinking lead him to hire a load of Gender Studies graduates to work in his maritime private security company and he's been a hostage to Somali pirates for the last ten years. Miss you dad. Edited June 11, 2018 by ICTChris 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, ICTChris said: It's very doubtful that they are. It's more likely that you just don't like them and probably have envy of their achievement so rationalise your feelings by calling them sociopathic or a psychopath. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/1-in-5-ceos-are-psychopaths-australian-study-finds/ https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/18/why-psychopaths-are-so-good-at-getting-ahead.html Ok 90% is a bit high but I've seen workplaces ran by people who seem to love creating a climate of fear and politics. They also seem to have a sychophantic clique who spy on others to get ahead. It's like some sort of weird control they have and you are at risk if you expose it or call it out. Behind it is incompetence and insecurity, with a very small percentage actually psychopaths. My first workplace was run by a total nutball who would stare out his office window over everyone and if you looked back you were hauled up to HR. Meanwhile equipment was ran without safety equipment or training. So yes, I don't like these people. I like honest and fair managers who back up their workers but since the unions were destroyed working conditions deteriorate all the time. Sociopaths fill the gaps and create hellholes like amazon or sports direct etc. Who cares if workers have to walk ten miles a day, they are lucky to have a job. Let's time them for toilet breaks and employ nasty middle managers who will threaten them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Economic changes made this inevitable - many jobs that previously didn't require a University degree now do. My dad didn't go to University and worked for many years as a reporter, a job you'd likely need a degree for. He moved from that to run his own business and he said that he looked at an applicant with a University degree as being someone who had demonstrated their ability to achieve something so they could probably learn the job, even if the disciplines didn't totally overlap. Sadly, this line of thinking lead him to hire a load of Gender Studies graduates to work in his maritime private security company and he's been a hostage to Somali pirates for the last ten years. Miss you dad. Look at me, I'm the captain now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/1-in-5-ceos-are-psychopaths-australian-study-finds/ https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/18/why-psychopaths-are-so-good-at-getting-ahead.html Ok 90% is a bit high but I've seen workplaces ran by people who seem to love creating a climate of fear and politics. They also seem to have a sychophantic clique who spy on others to get ahead. It's like some sort of weird control they have and you are at risk if you expose it or call it out. Behind it is incompetence and insecurity, with a very small percentage actually psychopaths. My first workplace was run by a total nutball who would stare out his office window over everyone and if you looked back you were hauled up to HR. Meanwhile equipment was ran without safety equipment or training. So yes, I don't like these people. I like honest and fair managers who back up their workers but since the unions were destroyed working conditions deteriorate all the time. Sociopaths fill the gaps and create hellholes like amazon or sports direct etc. Who cares if workers have to walk ten miles a day, they are lucky to have a job. Let's time them for toilet breaks and employ nasty middle managers who will threaten them. The figures that Jon Ronson uses suggest that 96% of business leaders aren't psychopaths. If you look at the criteria for psychopathy then most of it is not conducive to being a successful person in the corporate world - laziness, boredom, compulsive lying are all traits on the checklist. These aren't going to help you get on in the corporate world, they are going to hinder you. In Jon Ronson's book he interviews a corporate boss, I can't recall his name, and finds that although he is certainly callous and lacking in empathy, he has never had any behavioural problems and has a stable family life, things that are not associated with psychopathy. You are far more accurate in saying that bullying and poor management is caused by incompetence and insecurity than clinical mental issues. British managers are poorly trained and over-promoted. I read an interesting post about Amazon warehouse jobs - the poster was an experienced warehouse worker and said that the reason that Amazon warehouses get such a bad rap is because they are advertised as for people who aren't used to working in physical jobs. People who would normally work in retail jobs go into a warehouse environment and find that it's hard going - the poster said that it was basically a normal warehouse job. I've not worked in a labouring job for many years and have never worked in Amazon so can't comment on the accuracy of the comments, but it was interesting to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 The figures that Jon Ronson uses suggest that 96% of business leaders aren't psychopaths. If you look at the criteria for psychopathy then most of it is not conducive to being a successful person in the corporate world - laziness, boredom, compulsive lying are all traits on the checklist. These aren't going to help you get on in the corporate world, they are going to hinder you. In Jon Ronson's book he interviews a corporate boss, I can't recall his name, and finds that although he is certainly callous and lacking in empathy, he has never had any behavioural problems and has a stable family life, things that are not associated with psychopathy. You are far more accurate in saying that bullying and poor management is caused by incompetence and insecurity than clinical mental issues. British managers are poorly trained and over-promoted. I read an interesting post about Amazon warehouse jobs - the poster was an experienced warehouse worker and said that the reason that Amazon warehouses get such a bad rap is because they are advertised as for people who aren't used to working in physical jobs. People who would normally work in retail jobs go into a warehouse environment and find that it's hard going - the poster said that it was basically a normal warehouse job. I've not worked in a labouring job for many years and have never worked in Amazon so can't comment on the accuracy of the comments, but it was interesting to me. I agree with the majority of that buy don't agree about lying. Sometimes execs just want yes men and this creates a lying culture. I could tell the CEO the truth and that the company is a mess and needs lots of hard work to change it around including some truths that will sting or just say everything is great.Sent from my SM-G950F using Pie and Bovril mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: I agree with the majority of that buy don't agree about lying. Sometimes execs just want yes men and this creates a lying culture. I could tell the CEO the truth and that the company is a mess and needs lots of hard work to change it around including some truths that will sting or just say everything is great. Sent from my SM-G950F using Pie and Bovril mobile app The entry on the checklist is pathological lying, which is different to being a yes man or being a tactical liar. Psychopaths just lie about anything, for no real reason. It isn't really a good way to build a career or any sort of a life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 My mate replied to the "Quote with your unpopular opinion, Scotland edition" on Twitter with this Quote There will be no socialism in Scotland without English voters to keep us in line. I can't say I agree or disagree with that as I don't agree with the premise of it, but I did enjoy it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: It's very doubtful that they are. It's more likely that you just don't like them and probably have envy of their achievement so rationalise your feelings by calling them sociopathic or a psychopath. Rabid left-wingers pay attention, class is in session ^^^ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: . If you look at the criteria for psychopathy then most of it is not conducive to being a successful person in the corporate world - laziness, boredom, compulsive lying are all traits on the checklist. These aren't going to help you get on in the corporate world, they are going to hinder you. Works for some high profile corporate folk that may have even strayed into the world of, let’s say, world politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cerberus said: Gone are the days where going to university was special. A heavy lack of jobs for school leavers, access courses and setups like University of Paisley dropping the entry bar so low a degree isn't a sign of intelligence but rather an indication that you're not a complete loser. You do need a degree to work in a bank for a little more than minimum wage because all the candidates will have one. Don't go to university to get a great job. Go to university so you're not left with a horrible job. Elite English universities are still stand outs. Pre-requisites for all university entrants should include a practical understanding the fundamentals of: British history and how it relates to our neighbours, including a narrative line through all the kings, queens, religious leaders, political leaders, revolutions, an appreciation for the context of how British culture and law came to be, and the lessons embedded therein rhetoric, dialectic, philosophy and logic statistics These should be expanded on for all students while at university, while also concentrating on their major. Anyone who can't hack it isn't fit to graduate. Anyone who can't rip apart dogma and propaganda of every shade isn't fit to graduate. Edited June 11, 2018 by banana 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, banana said: Pre-requisites for all university entrants should include a practical understanding the fundamentals of: British history and how it relates to our neighbours, including a narrative line through all the kings, queens, religious leaders, political leaders, revolutions, an appreciation for the context of how British culture and law came to be, and the lessons embedded therein rhetoric, dialectic, philosophy and logic statistics These should be expanded on for all students while at university, while also concentrating on their major. Anyone who can't hack it isn't fit to graduate. Anyone who can't rip apart dogma and propaganda of every shade isn't fit to graduate. This is the sort of thing they used to do in the Soviet Union, mandatory classes in Marxist-Leninist thought, even though you were studying to be a plumber. It could generate valuable funds for the education sector as students bribe lecturers to get out of having to do them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: This is the sort of thing they used to do in the Soviet Union, mandatory classes in Marxist-Leninist thought, even though you were studying to be a plumber. It could generate valuable funds for the education sector as students bribe lecturers to get out of having to do them. Well no, the exact idea is the opposite of mandatory indoctrination, hence the teaching in rhetoric, dialectic, philosophy, logic, statistics, and being able to rip apart dogma and propaganda of every shade, including the British history pre-requisite. I'll grant that this can be abused into ideological indoctrination when speech is silenced, opposing views are heresy, evidenced by some of the garbage going on in universities now across the west. Plumbers go to plumber school so they can be excellent plumbers, which we all need. Edited June 11, 2018 by banana 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 As for bribing lecturers, see my earlier comment about dramatically raising the standard of moral fibre, etc. of teachers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Seems to be unpopular these last few days to note that 'dear leader' Kim is actually a cruel brutal dictator 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Seems to be unpopular these last few days to note that 'dear leader' Kim is actually a cruel brutal dictator Oh no, there's two of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 All you need to do to succeed in life is to not be a snowflake. By successfully not being a snowflake, you've already defeated 99% of the "competition". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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