HoBNob Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, HopeStreetPieStall said: If you paid to go the cinema, and the boy behind the counter dropped your popcorn, would you launch into a barrage of abuse at him? Course you wouldn't, that would be the act of an utter nutter. And let's not pretend it's a sports thing, I've been to many rugby games over the years and it's rare to hear abuse 0of a football level. Doesn't happen in cricket or tennis. Worst that happens in golf is someone making farty noises when someone's lining up a shot. So I'm not even buying the tribalism part of it, since it seems to be almost unique to football. What seems to have grown up around football in particular is a culture of abuse towards the players and hatred towards the opposition with a tasty side order of racism and hooliganism. It's worrying that nobody seems willing or able to see how the whole thing feeds itself. How the dad that willingly takes the kid to football and let's the kid see h abuse people is normalizing the abuse of people? I'll shut up though since I'm the only person that feels that way and leave you all to your justifications of abusing people. But then in none of those instances do you ever get the other end of the scale, if the popcorn gets delivered to you go absolutely mental, hugging random people you're likely to never talk too, cheering and become a delirious mess? Of course you don't. In golf you politely clap a good shot, don't even try and compare Rugby to football, not even on the same level. There's very few, if any sports where the fans get into it in such a way, completely eradicate the fans calling the other teams fans c***s and you in turn eradicate the other scale, sanitise the atmosphere to that degree and football no longer is the best game in the world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 10 hours ago, HopeStreetPieStall said: If you wouldn't shout it at someone in Farmfoods, I don't see how you can justify it at football, other than with the weak as hell "it's the football, it's different" pish. If that's the only way you can think of to tell someone they are bad at their job, crack on. Just don't act outraged when the young lads around you grow up thinking that abusing people at a sports match is normal. Stood at Brockville hearing a lot worse and it never harmed me. Some people just take it far too seriously in my book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, HopeStreetPieStall said: If you paid to go the cinema, and the boy behind the counter dropped your popcorn, would you launch into a barrage of abuse at him? Course you wouldn't, that would be the act of an utter nutter. And let's not pretend it's a sports thing, I've been to many rugby games over the years and it's rare to hear abuse 0of a football level. Doesn't happen in cricket or tennis. Worst that happens in golf is someone making farty noises when someone's lining up a shot. So I'm not even buying the tribalism part of it, since it seems to be almost unique to football. What seems to have grown up around football in particular is a culture of abuse towards the players and hatred towards the opposition with a tasty side order of racism and hooliganism. It's worrying that nobody seems willing or able to see how the whole thing feeds itself. How the dad that willingly takes the kid to football and let's the kid see h abuse people is normalizing the abuse of people? I'll shut up though since I'm the only person that feels that way and leave you all to your justifications of abusing people. Doesnt happen in cricket. Aye right . Have you ever been to the likes of the MCG for a test match? On Campbell and Lang. I've been watching Falkirk since the late 70's and over that 40 odd year period before they were employed I saw Falkirk in relegation trouble from the second tier once . AT's final season. Campbell and Lang have been in charge for 2 seasons and in each we have been threatened with relegation from the championship. Is that not enough evidence never mind the other pish as to why this pair should go. Edited December 13, 2018 by Shodwall cat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Perrin Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Shodwall cat said: Doesnt happen in cricket. Aye right . Have you ever been to the likes of the MCG for a test match? No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Hank von Hell said: My nephew was told ,before the start of the season, by Hartley himself that he hadn't seen the English lads "live". He didn't have to , as we had an English scout that he trusted. He had no reason to make this up back then. How do you know he saw "some" or "the majority" or "four or six" or maybe twelvety ? Seems a bit hairy fairy. Sounds like Hartley right enough... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Literally just twigged that Sandy Alexander's real name will be Alexander Alexander. Think I need a sit down tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Reggie Perrin said: No Well you should. Its a cracking day out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Reggie Perrin said: No Yeah! Why have you not trekked to Australia for a match between two teams you're not interested in, in a sport you most likely don't care about! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmember Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 IMO the club are in a awful mess on and off the park . I don't know much about the shareholders apart from Miller and I wouldn't trust him with my pocket money The agm is the place to make changes but don't be surprised if they all back each other with the votes A club like Falkirk can't afford to be relegated . simple The club need cleared from top to bottom Now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinkyBairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, HopeStreetPieStall said: I'll shut up though Aye, please do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Yeah! Why have you not trekked to Australia for a match between two teams you're not interested in, in a sport you most likely don't care about! Sory the post was to highlight the fact that abuse does happen in cricket on a regular basis both here and abroad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmyself Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I think the argument has to be about the type of abuse. Football is theatre (or panto in our case), groaning and moaning about poor play is fair imo and like others have said, can be taken as balance for the wild celebrations that you can get, like we had up in Inverness. If you remove the tribal aspect of football then all you're left with is the quality on display which might not go down too well for us... For me, the issues come up whenever the abuse goes beyond footballing ability and that's where the line should be drawn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinatoon Bairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, ilostmyself said: I think the argument has to be about the type of abuse. Football is theatre (or panto in our case), groaning and moaning about poor play is fair imo and like others have said, can be taken as balance for the wild celebrations that you can get, like we had up in Inverness. If you remove the tribal aspect of football then all you're left with is the quality on display which might not go down too well for us... For me, the issues come up whenever the abuse goes beyond footballing ability and that's where the line should be drawn. Aye, this. Giving them pelters on the pitch because they are shite is fair enough but when it gets to the stage where they are still getting it tight because people are sending them private messages on social media it's a step too far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Hank von Hell said: My nephew was told ,before the start of the season, by Hartley himself that he hadn't seen the English lads "live". He didn't have to , as we had an English scout that he trusted. He had no reason to make this up back then. How do you know he saw "some" or "the majority" or "four or six" or maybe twelvety ? Seems a bit hairy fairy. During pre-season I was present when he was asked about the recruitment of the English players. This happened twice: once at a talk to a group of sponsors and once by a visitor when he was in one of the club offices. On both occasions the answer was similar to yours. Hartley gave a vague response about trusting people, but was very careful not to give out numbers. For that reason I'm a little surprised that he apparently answered your nephew more precisely. As I didn't get that precise answer, I mentioned it to one of the staff during a conversation a few weeks later. I'm a bit embarrassed to admit now that I can't remember the exact details of what he told me, but I think it was around four English players that PH had seen personally before signing them. Hence why I'm a little hairy fairy. (why are there no "fairy" emoticons btw?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Is Sandy Alexander the guy who owns the shoe shops Used to 15+ years ago, do keep up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 EDI where are you pal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60`s bairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: During pre-season I was present when he was asked about the recruitment of the English players. This happened twice: once at a talk to a group of sponsors and once by a visitor when he was in one of the club offices. On both occasions the answer was similar to yours. Hartley gave a vague response about trusting people, but was very careful not to give out numbers. For that reason I'm a little surprised that he apparently answered your nephew more precisely. As I didn't get that precise answer, I mentioned it to one of the staff during a conversation a few weeks later. I'm a bit embarrassed to admit now that I can't remember the exact details of what he told me, but I think it was around four English players that PH had seen personally before signing them. Hence why I'm a little hairy fairy. (why are there no "fairy" emoticons btw?) Somebody said that right enough but I stuck up for you!!!Tutu and wand for Christmas ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, 60`s bairn said: Somebody said that right enough but I stuck up for you!!!Tutu and wand for Christmas ?? Funnily enough, as I was typing that out a certain member of staff came to mind. A jovial little chap who sometime gets the urine extracted as a result of his height. And who could do with a shave and a haircut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainsfordbairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said: EDI where are you pal? Waiting until his exact predictions about arrivals and departures are proven accurate, at which point he'll return with a pile of "told you sos". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmyself Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, HopeStreetPieStall said: Telling someone that they are pish is fine, yelling all game that someone's a fucking useless c**t? In a stadium with kids in it? Anyone defending that is a total roaster imo. I feel like you skipped past the points we've made and just took it to an extreme. There is a family section at the stadium and people using the language you describe should not sit there, which I think is the point in it. I still think that we should be allowed to voice our opinions in the stadium as long as we don't cross the line, if that makes me a total roaster then so be it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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