The Falkirk FC Thread

[LatapyBairn.]

3 minutes ago, PedroMoutinho said:

For me you can add to that the money spent on renting a training ground and bringing in youngsters.

Both nice to haves but shouldn’t have been priorities with the state of the first team Imo.

Are we renting a training ground? 

[PedroMoutinho]

5 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

What are we spending on the training ground? 

I have no idea but presumably it’s not cost free. £1 would be too much imo with the state of the first team.

[Hughsie]

25 minutes ago, LatapyBairn. said:

Don’t think that’s true, we’ve consistently funded better playing budgets than most teams in the championship never mind in our league. The simple problem is we have wasted that money on terrible players and management teams. Closing the academy hasn’t t helped matters either. 

Would we have had to close the academy if we weren’t blowing so much on using the stadium every year though? Other clubs with similar facilities to us are generating income on non-match days and would appear to have much more agreeable costs. 
 

As for having bigger playing budgets - have we not blown over £800k over the last couple of years?

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

7 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

Wtf are you taking about?

I said if back in January the club didn’t try and boost the squad and keep all the cash to clear out the squad in the summer they would have got pelters. 
The reality of situation is whether it was January or now we had a squad that was not good enough, signed on contracts that were too long and you can see the result of it now. 

Well what are you talking about as I merely mentioned Griffiths and you somehow changed that in to an accusation that I would have criticised the board had they not backed the manager. Griffiths was only going to play for a few months at a high cost. That was the risk I referred to and nothing to do with backing. The money would have been better saved or spent elsewhere. 
 

Forgetting Griffiths. What of Finlay Malcolm then? What was the purpose of signing him till the end of this season? 

[AdamAnt]

28 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

If the Board had downed tools in January and not given the manager backing to try and get to the play offs you and plenty others would have given them pelters. They could have done nothing else but take a punt in January. Not sure how much they spent in January - will no doubt come out in the wash at the AGM
 

So the  old mob rightly get grief for wasting money on dross but the new lot deserve credit for wasting £1500 a week on a fat waste of space?

[Guest]

Just now, AdamAnt said:

So the  old mob rightly get grief for wasting money on dross but the new lot deserve credit for wasting £1500 a week on a fat waste of space?

Where did I say that? If it was £1500/week it probably cost 16 weeks tops at that price. My point is had they not tried to get to the play offs the fans would not have been happy.
The last lot blew 750 grand we had in the bank last May and a lot of that cost is still with us. Let’s not forget pay offs to Sheerin and Grainger - I wonder how much that cost? The AGM should be interesting. 

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

11 minutes ago, LatapyBairn. said:

If the new board hadn’t backed the manager with cash in the last January window and made the effort at promotion there would have been absolute uproar. The comment BPM makes is totally fair, we were only a few points off the play off places! Look what QP done who weren’t much better than us and finished 4th…..Apart from anything else we had to give the new manager cash if only to prevent us getting drawn into relegation bother things were that bad! 

That’s not what I said. I specifically talked about Griffiths. Also Queens Park is a prime example of another mistake made, which in this case it was appointing Rennie. 

All I’m saying is mistakes have been made, not trying to castigate anyone for it but fed up constantly hearing that the old board is at fault for everything. Wasn’t a fan but they also blamed mistakes on previous boards. 

[LatapyBairn.]

2 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said:

That’s not what I said. I specifically talked about Griffiths. Also Queens Park is a prime example of another mistake made, which in this case it was appointing Rennie. 

All I’m saying is mistakes have been made, not trying to castigate anyone for it but fed up constantly hearing that the old board is at fault for everything. Wasn’t a fan but they also blamed mistakes on previous boards. 

Signing Griffiths specifically is irrelevant, the BOD should not be dictating to the manager who he spends his playing budget on. 

[AdamAnt]

3 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

Where did I say that? If it was £1500/week it probably cost 16 weeks tops at that price. My point is had they not tried to get to the play offs the fans would not have been happy.
The last lot blew 750 grand we had in the bank last May and a lot of that cost is still with us. Let’s not forget pay offs to Sheerin and Grainger - I wonder how much that cost? The AGM should be interesting. 

It’s exactly what you’re saying! One lot are getting grief for spunking money on shite and new lot are  somehow deserving of praise for doing the exact same thing. You’re even doing it in that post, justifying blowing tens of thousands of pounds on a player who lost interest in football about 3 years ago just because for some reason you feel the need to defend every decision the new guys make. 

[HopeStreetWalker]

32 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

When the alternative is Williamson then, yes, I think it's worth a try.

Seen stranger positional changes over the years and suddenly it's like a new player being signed.

For all his faults he tries and seems a decent fitness.

 

 

[LatapyBairn.]

10 minutes ago, Hughsie said:

Would we have had to close the academy if we weren’t blowing so much on using the stadium every year though? Other clubs with similar facilities to us are generating income on non-match days and would appear to have much more agreeable costs. 
 

As for having bigger playing budgets - have we not blown over £800k over the last couple of years?

How much money do you think we are “blowing” on the stadium? Whatever it is it’s certainly no where near the amount of cash that would fund an academy, we have always been able to fund a certain level of academy the reason it was closed to was to peruse this so called “Brentford model” another poor decision by the previous regime!  The only thing the club are charged for by the council is use of the hospitality facilities in the main stand. Everything else we either own outright or have free access to, the set up could be better but it could also be a lot worse……..and yes your right, we have blown a lot of money on the playing budget the last few years, a lot more than most of our rivals, the problem is we spent it on shite! That’s kinda my point! 

[ShaggerG]

22 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said:

Seen stranger positional changes over the years and suddenly it's like a new player being signed.

For all his faults he tries and seems a decent fitness.

 

 

Aye, I'd be interested to know how many full games Ross has played for us, can't be very many? When you consider the likes of Nesbitt and Hetherington are getting picked every week it's surely not too much of an ask to give the guy a chance.

BPM says that to play wing-back you need someone that can get up and down the flank all day, which I agree with however, Williamson can't do that. His efforts at getting back when the ball is lost are not good.

[PedroMoutinho]

22 minutes ago, LatapyBairn. said:

Signing Griffiths specifically is irrelevant, the BOD should not be dictating to the manager who he spends his playing budget on. 

I agree in normal circumstances but Griffiths was paid a far higher wage than we’d normally offer- probably the highest since we were in the premier league.

I’d be absolutely astonished if the board did not approve making those resources available.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, AdamAnt said:

It’s exactly what you’re saying! One lot are getting grief for spunking money on shite and new lot are  somehow deserving of praise for doing the exact same thing. You’re even doing it in that post, justifying blowing tens of thousands of pounds on a player who lost interest in football about 3 years ago just because for some reason you feel the need to defend every decision the new guys make. 

Eh no. Rennie was a mistake, agreed with it at the time, but it failed and was a mistake. The Board did however have the good sense to only give him 6 months.
If your £1500 as week is right. 16 x that is 24k. It is hardly tens of thousands. 
The last lot committed us to an awful lot more of which a good chunk of it is holding us back. 

 

[Monkey Tennis]

37 minutes ago, LatapyBairn. said:

we have always been able to fund a certain level of academy the reason it was closed to was to peruse this so called “Brentford model” 

It shouldn't have been that expensive to go and have a good look at what Brentford were doing.

[LatapyBairn.]

4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

It shouldn't have been that expensive to go and have a good look at what Brentford were doing.

I believe they did this at the time! 

[Kenny_m]

Whilst aware that Telfer seemed to split Falkirk fans but looking at McGinn, Nesbitt & Hetherington yesterday, surely he's better than them?

[Monkey Tennis]

20 minutes ago, LatapyBairn. said:

I believe they did this at the time! 

Ok.  Why did taking a look necessitate closing the academy?

[LatapyBairn.]

1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Ok.  Why did taking a look necessitate closing the academy?

I’ve no idea 

[LatapyBairn.]

10 minutes ago, Kenny_m said:

Whilst aware that Telfer seemed to split Falkirk fans but looking at McGinn, Nesbitt & Hetherington yesterday, surely he's better than them?

McGinn has been really good so far, Nesbit and Heatherington I’d put on par with Telfer. None of the three are good enough and need to be punted, thankfully we were able to get shot of Telfer but unfortunately are still stuck with the other two! 

Edited August 7, 2022 by LatapyBairn.