Guest Ecosse83 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 44 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said: Do you remember when we were relegated to League One? One of the pivotal moments that sent us down came at Palmerston. We were winning the game and had we done so we'd have climbed out of the relegation zone and gone above QOTS for the first time all season. We ending up drawing, because of what I thought was a blatant dive by Lyndon Dykes. Lyndon Dykes, who scored 10 goals in 86 appearances for QOTS. Roughly one goal in 9 games A far worse record than MacIver scoring 6 goals in 30 for Alloa, or one goal every 5 games. I think you'ld agree that Dykes has done pretty well for himself since then. Would you care to guess how old he was when scored that goal? Six months short of 24. Dykes managed to improve to be more than good enough. I'm willing to give MacIver the chance to do the same. Maybe you should too. Fair enough, it’s a rare occurrence to improve at that age the way Dykes did but it does happen, hopefully for our sakes Maciver does the same 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ecosse83 said: Fair enough, it’s a rare occurrence to improve at that age the way Dykes did but it does happen, hopefully for our sakes Maciver does the same I don't have anything to back up what I'm about to say, but thankfully there's no way you have anything to contradict it..... Here goes then. Is it f**k, a rare occurrence that football players improve their game at the age of 24. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I don't have anything to back up what I'm about to say, but thankfully there's no way you have anything to contradict it..... Here goes then. Is it f**k, a rare occurrence that football players improve their game at the age of 24. Of course it’s rare for a striker to improve the way Dykes did at 24 Gjve me some examples of players in league 1 at 24 that went on to improve the way Dykes did and I’ll be proved wrong 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ecosse83 said: Of course it’s rare for a striker to improve the way Dykes did at 24 Gjve me some examples of players in league 1 at 24 that went on to improve the way Dykes did and I’ll be proved wrong Hold on, you've popped some new caveats in there mate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, LatapyBairn. said: Some posters on here get slaughtered if we dare call ourselves a big club in this division but it’s now ok for you to use the fact we are a big club in relative terms so you can shove our recent failures down our throats ? I give up man! Of course it's ok. In fact it's the entire point. If Falkirk was punching at its weight, they'd just be another club going for promotion and coming up short. I don't slaughter anyone for saying Falkirk is a very big club in the 3rd tier. I say it all the time myself. Obviously, it's all based on merit and no club comes with divine rights. None of that alters the undeniable fact, however, that Falkirk has been a massive underachiever in recent years. That's why we're interested Guys. This is not complicated stuff. Edited May 27, 2023 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: Hold on, you've popped some new caveats in there mate Of course I have I’m trying to win an argument Ok just in general then strikers that had barely scored at 24 and went onto a really good career? Either scoring loads of goals or improving from 3rd tier up the divisions but not necessarily scoring goals. I’m sure there will be a good few, genuinely interested in naming them now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, Ecosse83 said: Of course I have I’m trying to win an argument Ok just in general then strikers that had barely scored at 24 and went onto a really good career? Either scoring loads of goals or improving from 3rd tier up the divisions but not necessarily scoring goals. I’m sure there will be a good few, genuinely interested in naming them now I don't have a list of such stats. What I do know is that age is fairly arbitrary when you consider the various things that can and will have contributed to the story of MCIvers career so far, and what will affect him going forward. Theres absolutely no reason, physically or mentally why the age of 24 should represent some sort of barrier to improvement. Far more important is his attitude/application/willingness to learn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, RC55 FFC said: Signing day today? Would be nice. Or at least a summary of what the squads looking like for next season. Something along the lines of what Raith done yesterday would do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, Bairnardo said: I don't have a list of such stats. What I do know is that age is fairly arbitrary when you consider the various things that can and will have contributed to the story of MCIvers career so far, and what will affect him going forward. Theres absolutely no reason, physically or mentally why the age of 24 should represent some sort of barrier to improvement. Far more important is his attitude/application/willingness to learn I agree but it’s the lack of goals in his career that worries me especially with mcglynns 1 up top. If we have 1 main striker that can’t get double figures we’re going to struggle. That’s my worry. And I know strikers that score goals are really hard to come by so it’s a tough one for us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ecosse83 said: I agree but it’s the lack of goals in his career that worries me especially with mcglynns 1 up top. If we have 1 main striker that can’t get double figures we’re going to struggle. That’s my worry. And I know strikers that score goals are really hard to come by so it’s a tough one for us. My concern is the entire jigsaw. If McGlynn doesn't deliver a team that can score goals, it won't be Ross McIvers fault. He's been signed to be that big physical presence up front. I expect if our team is anything like last season hel get his fair share of goals because a big guy in the box would have scored goals for us last season. I wanted a big physical guy to sign to play up top. Gary Oliver was a few inches and a bit of presence away from working up there but he just wasn't quite the right guy. McIver seems a better fit and for me we would have fared better post January with a McIver type there rather than Oliver. That's why I'm not hugely concerned 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_diamond Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ecosse83 said: Of course I have I’m trying to win an argument Ok just in general then strikers that had barely scored at 24 and went onto a really good career? Either scoring loads of goals or improving from 3rd tier up the divisions but not necessarily scoring goals. I’m sure there will be a good few, genuinely interested in naming them now While the going up the divisions isn't relevant in this example Calum Gallagher joined us at 24 and his goals per game significantly improved after this point. His previous best being 1 in every 4 a bit at Dumbarton to one in just over 2 with us. Edited May 27, 2023 by cb_diamond 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18BAIRN76 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) I think it's fine to say that we found the signing a bit underwhelming, but that's a bit different to a 5 page dialogue about whether or not he's good enough before he's even pulled on the shirt. Give the boy a chance ffs. Edited May 27, 2023 by 18BAIRN76 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balde Bairn Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 This “give the boy a chance, he’s not put the jersey on yet” doesn’t really work. If a guy turned up to Falkirk who’d spent 10 years at the Shire and was released for not being good enough, then I wouldn’t need to wait to see how they play for Falkirk to know he’s way off the mark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Balde Bairn said: This “give the boy a chance, he’s not put the jersey on yet” doesn’t really work. If a guy turned up to Falkirk who’d spent 10 years at the Shire and was released for not being good enough, then I wouldn’t need to wait to see how they play for Falkirk to know he’s way off the mark. And yet, thats not the situation we're in, and so actually, its totally irrelevant and this “give the boy a chance, he’s not put the jersey on yet” does work. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 18BAIRN76 said: I think it's fine to say that we found the signing a bit underwhelming, but that's a bit different to a 5 page dialogue about how whether or not he's good enough before he's even pulled on the shirt. Give the boy a chance ffs. I’ll give him a chance at the games for sure, if he turns out to be poor I certainly won’t be giving him abuse from the stands. This is a football forum and I’m allowed to give my opinion. Im actually one of they fans that when we make a signing I always try and find the positives but this one has really got to me for some reason. It just feels like a bang average League 1 signing, I hope my gut is truly wrong on this one. Edited May 27, 2023 by Ecosse83 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 44 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: My concern is the entire jigsaw. If McGlynn doesn't deliver a team that can score goals, it won't be Ross McIvers fault. He's been signed to be that big physical presence up front. I expect if our team is anything like last season hel get his fair share of goals because a big guy in the box would have scored goals for us last season. I wanted a big physical guy to sign to play up top. Gary Oliver was a few inches and a bit of presence away from working up there but he just wasn't quite the right guy. McIver seems a better fit and for me we would have fared better post January with a McIver type there rather than Oliver. That's why I'm not hugely concerned He's solid enough and great in the air but I wouldn't say he's a typical target man or battering ram style striker, he isn't exceptionally tall. His real strength is linking up with a quick partner. Have a look at the second half here against Montrose last season where he gets 3 assists for Euan Henderson. This was a particularly good day for him and against a weakened Montrose team but shows what he is capable of. This and a fine ability to find teammates with flick ons. Hope he gets a fair chance at Falkirk, he is a hard working player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tea and Busquets Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 At the end of the day, we’ve weakened a potential rival as well. Just let’s see what he does for us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgenarse Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I see our good friend Higgenbottom has been freed by Kelty. He can still do a job probably as impact sub. Is he worth signing or has he burned his bridges/ not good enough -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 The man is absolute fud,he had no reason to act the way he did to Falkirk fans. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tea and Busquets said: At the end of the day, we’ve weakened a potential rival as well. Just let’s see what he does for us. That's debatable for the simple reason that MacIver and Sammon didn't really work well together as a pair and Sammon was our top scorer. With a more suitable partner we might actually end up stronger. Time will tell on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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