Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Granny Danger]

Taxi for Regan and Cockwomble. This pair of c***s need chased out the game.

Aye, and Traynor can drive it.

[7-2]

ok we will see what happens with dundee utd watch the newspapers and you will see

Actually Peter, one reads the newspapers but one watches tv.

Or more correctly, one reads the newspapers but you watch tv.

Ok, carry on.

[Strathman]

Of course Ritchie says that. First Division clubs would have to be insane to agree to the proposals in their current format.

What he isn't saying is what he should have said. That under no circumstances could Falkirk FC vote for Sevco 5088 to be installed at any level in the SFL other than the bottom division.

What he's saying is that he's quite happy for them to be fired in at the top, as long as the rest of the division gets 60 pieces of silver rather than 30.

It's a total shambles of a statement.

I have been on holiday. Did Smithy resign at Falkirk's stance? He had been adamant that everyone needs Rangers and punted this in all the papers.

[H_B]

It maybe isn't the best worded statement ever but it lays clean that Falkirk want reconstruction but not in the format on offer.

Right, so how are Falkirk going to achieve reconstruction?

What cards do Falkirk hold?

[rustyarabnuts]

What will it take to buy the SFL?

Obviously Falkirk and Cowdenbeath have come out rejecting the current proposals without rejecting the premise of Seveco in Division1. So how much do they want and how much are the SPL/SFA willing to give them?

Cowden did say they should start at div3

[killingfloorman]

Here's the full article, think only the preview has been posted in this thread. As mentioned it has since been taken off the Scotsman website and it'll be interesting to see if it appears in print tomorrow. Regan simply has to go.

That is a staggering article. I am almost without words describe the depths that Regan has plumbed.

[Gaz FFC]

What will it take to buy the SFL?

Obviously Falkirk and Cowdenbeath have come out rejecting the current proposals without rejecting the premise of Seveco in Division1. So how much do they want and how much are the SPL/SFA willing to give them?

All we said is the offer on the table is unacceptable, what's wrong with that?

It's not like they're going to improve on it.

We were made an offer and out of respect read it, thought it through and rejected it.

Some of you drama queens need to get a grip.

The real criminals here are the quiet ones, at least we had the balls to have our say.

[Highland Dogma]

Without looking it up, did Regan actually talk about social unrest ?! WTF. That's got naff all to do with the feckin SFA. What are these guys on FFS ?! Just apply the rules. Jesus wept. No wonder we are in meltdown.

Is a few pages back from a Scotsman article. It gets worse he openly admits that if sfl wont vote them into sfl one they will restructure the leagues to ensure newco get into second tier.even admits how fragile newco is fiscally!!

[killingfloorman]

Here's the full article, think only the preview has been posted in this thread. As mentioned it has since been taken off the Scotsman website and it'll be interesting to see if it appears in print tomorrow. Regan simply has to go.

That is a staggering article. I am almost without words describe the depths that Regan has plumbed.

[Florentine_Pogen]

There seems to be a wee bit of tetchiness creeping into tonight's gathering. Maybe it's just down to too much excitement for one day - ZombieCo getting punted from SPL, the SFL chairmen throwing off their oppressive yokes and Jabba Traynor being outed as a no-mark stooge live on-air. A good day, all told.

We should all take a deep breath, maybe pour a large whisky or a glass of red stuff, roll a nice fat one, put some vintage vinyl on the phonograph and kick back on the couch.

As previously mentioned many times on here and reiterated by Maestro Cosgrove tonight on the radio, the MSM and the blazerati at Hampden have completely missed the bus on TCFKAR meltdown story. The issues have been powered by The Diddy Collective and social media, not by Traynor / Keevins / Jackson et al making their daily round of morning calls to their 'sources' to be told which agit-prop to spin on any given day.

I think in a few months we'll look back on this saga and realise the debt we owe to the RTC Blogger. Knowing what we know now, it seems almost inconceivable that the story might never have seen the light of day, might have been swept under the carpet or might have been reported by the MSM in a way that made Murray's transgressions seem very minor.

I'm pouring another dram..................................

Go placidly amidst the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its shams, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

[vikingTON]

Quite.

I'm surprised they didn't name their terms in the statement.

I'm not sure the SPL will wish to negotiate though. They've put their threats in the document in order to intimidate rather than entice clubs to their 'solution'. Besides - what future incentives could be promised without the consensus of SPL clubs?

I think Cockwomble could well be the saviour of Scottish football soon. No, really! It's quite clear that he didn't expect the overwhelming rejection of Sevco today... well if he can make a clusterfuck of one vote he can as well do the other. All we need is more intimidation with no clear way forward for 'ambitious' clubs, and for the SPL to cling to the delusion that an unauthorised SPL2 is going to happen. As much as SFL1 clubs would normally sell their own mother for more money and more promotion slots, immediately disavowing the SFL's decision with a breakaway league would be an untenable position, particularly among their fans.

Oh and another embarrassing presentation by Charles Green could well shift a few votes too. I just don't think the Scottish football authorities are competent enough to get this fix through. Nothing they've done so far suggests they can.

Edited July 4, 2012 by vikingTON

[meanmistermustard]

Its just a matter of time before all the clubs chairmen stand and both Doncaster and Regan out due to how they have both overseen Scottish Football over the last 4/5 months. Either that or they will take the huff then the cash and walk.

Im not up to speed on who arranged all the SPL commercial revenue deals with sponsors but if it was Doncaster who brought them in based entirely on Rangers and Celtic being in the SPL then for that alone he should be fired without hesitation. Its the kind of decision that a rank amateur wouldnt make.

If someone were to put together all the statements that either have made about tv deals, clubs being ruined financially, whats going to happen next, it would take up whole sections of a library. Its gotten to the point where every time they open their mouths they add shite to the cesspit.

[Gaz FFC]

Right, so how are Falkirk going to achieve reconstruction?

What cards do Falkirk hold?

Kind of changing the direction of the chat HB.

[H_B]

All we said is the offer on the table is unacceptable, what's wrong with that?

It's not like they're going to improve on it.

We were made an offer and out of respect read it, thought it through and rejected it.

Some of you drama queens need to get a grip.

The real criminals here are the quiet ones, at least we had the balls to have our say.

Right, lets say I approach two people with the same offer.

Man 1 :- "Excuse me, can I shag your wife please? I will pay you £100"

Answer :- "No, f**k off. Under no circumstances will I sell my wife's body"

Man 2:- ""Excuse me, can I shag your wife please? I will pay you £100"

Answer :- "I've considered your proposal, and in its current form it isn't acceptable"

[hellbhoy]

You usually get SSB Rewind aboots 9.30ish after transmission appearing here:

http://www.clyde1.co...b-listen-again/

Just listening now thanks

[Scary Bear]

Here's the full article, think only the preview has been posted in this thread. As mentioned it has since been taken off the Scotsman website and it'll be interesting to see if it appears in print tomorrow. Regan simply has to go.

By STEPHEN HALLIDAY

Published on Wednesday 4 July 2012 21:26

SCOTTISH Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan has issued a startling warning of "social unrest" in Scotland if newco Rangers are denied entry to the First Division of the Scottish Football League following the emphatic rejection today of their application to retain top-flight football at Ibrox.

Regan's remarkable comment came as he insisted admission to the First Division is now the only viable option if Scottish football wishes to avoid what he described as a "slow, lingering death".

The Scottish Premier League turned down Charles Green's bid to have Rangers' existing share in the organisation transferred to his newco for next season, with ten of the member clubs voting against the application. It is understood Green cast the only vote in favour, while Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston is believed to have abstained.

The SPL will now await the outcome of an SFL meeting next week when that organisation's 30 clubs will vote on a proposal to accept newco Rangers into the First Division in the new season ahead of an amalgamation of the league governing bodies from 2013-14.

There is considerable opposition and resistance to the plan among SFL clubs and their supporters with many believing Rangers should have to apply for entry to the Third Division in the wake of their spectacular financial collapse.

But Regan bluntly asserted that Scottish football simply cannot afford to have Rangers outwith the top two tiers of the league structure, with his argument not confined to the commercial impact their absence would have.

"Without Rangers, there is social unrest and a big problem for Scottish society," claimed Regan. "They have a huge fan base and to contemplate the situation where those fans don't have a team to support, where those fans are effectively left without a game to follow, I just think that could lead to all sorts of issues, all sorts of problems for the game.

"Tribalism in football is really important. It is part of the game. People follow their clubs with pride, it is passed down from generation to generation. There are thousands of Rangers fans whose fathers and parents and grandfathers have been Rangers fans. You can't contemplate a situation without that and if Rangers weren't to exist that could have real dire consequences.

"There is a lot of emotion around this subject because Rangers are a huge institution in Scottish football history and they are where they are. Their fans have been hurt, they don't know what's happening. There hasn't been a great deal of leadership at the club and there hasn't been a huge amount of communication from the football authorities.

"The SPL have now decided that Rangers won't be coming back into the SPL. From our perspective it's important we set out the landscape because there is only one solution for the game now.

"The only solution for the game now is that Rangers come into the Scottish Football League and they come into it in the First Division. If Rangers were to go anywhere other than the First Division, then there would something in the region of £15.7 million worth of losses to the game.

"For the bigger clubs at the top of the league, that's half their annual distributions. For clubs at the bottom it is basically wiping out their entire distributions, for some of the smaller clubs it's a huge proportion of their annual turnover.

"The same will be true for most clubs. Perhaps clubs could survive for a short period of time but it's not sustainable. Even if Rangers end up in the First Division, there is still going to be a £5 million loss of income to the SPL clubs. The game is not sustainable so there would be a slow lingering death for the game in Scotland. It would then trickle down to the SFL. From our perspective as the governing body and we cannot allow that to happen.

"If we allowed that to happen, it would simply be a dereliction of duty. Therefore, this whole decision-making process has been one of the most challenging and complex decisions that I have ever been involved in in 27 years of business as sport.

"Some clubs in the SFL are afraid of the implications of the decisions. There is the moral argument, the fear of a fans' backlash and there are financial implications to consider. But when we look at the alternative, it is not possible to think about it without thinking of the game withering on the vine. We cannot contemplate that and the message has to be that Division One for Rangers is the only show in town as far as the future of Scottish football is concerned."

Regan admits the influence of television contracts, which are largely predicated on the presence of Celtic and Rangers in the Scottish game, are the biggest single factor in his determination to ensure the Ibrox club drop no lower than the First Division. "We have had dialogue with the broadcasters," he added, "and we understand what the various stakeholders from Sky television, ESPN, Sport Five and a number of the SPL's other commercial partners are likely to do in the event Rangers are not in either of the top two tiers. It's not pretty. That's why we cannot sit back and let that happen without trying to get all parties to accept this is the only solution which can keep the game afloat.

"Without Old Firm games, the value drops, the overseas deals are almost exclusively about the Old Firm derby and that would go immediately. Then you look at the rest of the game and what it is worth. It is fair to say the broadcasters would live with a year without Rangers in the SPL, because it could be a fantastic story for them, which is why I think First Division rights will be an interest as people will want to see how this club is going to bounce back."

Regan conceded, however, that there can be no guarantee a financially weakened Rangers will climb back to the top flight at the first attempt. "If Rangers don't get promoted, then the game has got another year to suffer with the financial consequences that brings," he said. "I can't predict what will happen, because Rangers at the moment are a weakened team because of everything that has gone on.

"They are a newco at the moment, they have got very few players on their books. They are going to be entering the SFL in whatever division with a weakened team and I don't think it's by any means certain they are going to come back in the way they or their fans might like them to recover.

"It's going to be a slow recovery to get back to the football fitness they have shown in the past. So we can't look into the future and say 'what if they don't operate in a certain way?'. We can only look at building the foundations, to change the game for the better and provide an infrastructure that can bring financial certainty to the other 41 clubs."

Regan confirmed that sanctions will apply to newco Rangers in the First Division and also made it clear the formation of an SPL2 will be pursued in order to accommodate the Ibrox club if they are rejected by the SFL next week. "The SFA have to transfer Rangers' membership from oldco to newco," he said. "That can be done with any conditions attached to it that the SFA board deem fit. We would expect a newco to carry some of the sanctions which would have related to the club had it still been in the previous incarnation. The membership cannot be transferred on financial grounds alone. It has to have a degree of sporting integrity and that means sporting sanctions."

Hopefully Regan will be forced to resign after these quite astounding comments. Seriously! Was he pished when he came out with this stuff?

[rustyarabnuts]

There seems to be a wee bit of tetchiness creeping into tonight's gathering. Maybe it's just down to too much excitement for one day - ZombieCo getting punted from SPL, the SFL chairmen throwing off their oppressive yokes and Jabba Traynor being outed as a no-mark stooge live on-air. A good day, all told.

We should all take a deep breath, maybe pour a large whisky or a glass of red stuff, roll a nice fat one, put some vintage vinyl on the phonograph and kick back on the couch.

As previously mentioned many times on here and reiterated by Maestro Cosgrove tonight on the radio, the MSM and the blazerati at Hampden have completely missed the bus on TCFKAR meltdown story. The issues have been powered by The Diddy Collective and social media, not by Traynor / Keevins / Jackson et al making their daily round of morning calls to their 'sources' to be told which agit-prop to spin on any given day.

I think in a few months we'll look back on this saga and realise the debt we owe to the RTC Blogger. Knowing what we know now, it seems almost inconceivable that the story might never have seen the light of day, might have been swept under the carpet or might have been reported by the MSM in a way that made Murray's transgressions seem very minor.

I'm pouring another dram..................................

Go placidly amidst the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its shams, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

awwww cheers Ghandi

[Gaz FFC]

Right, lets say I approach two people with the same offer.

Man 1 :- "Excuse me, can I shag your wife please? I will pay you £100"

Answer :- "No, f**k off. Under no circumstances will I sell my wife's body"

Man 2:- ""Excuse me, can I shag your wife please? I will pay you £100"

Answer :- "I've considered your proposal, and in its current form it isn't acceptable"

To be fair if your 1st offer was £1,000,000 i reckon he'd be asking, cash?

[Highland Dogma]

Surprised no-one has really commented on this (VT's trolling on the Falkirk statement taking top billing)

What are your sources Div? Or is this an opinion?

[/quotey

Tbf its not far off what regan said they will do in that Scotsman interview if sfl wont put newco into sfl one

[craigkillie]

What will it take to buy the SFL?

Obviously Falkirk and Cowdenbeath have come out rejecting the current proposals without rejecting the premise of Seveco in Division1. So how much do they want and how much are the SPL/SFA willing to give them?

Cowdenbeath more or less did reject the premise of them in Division 1. Like many other clubs (not Falkirk), they said that the acceptable place for Sevco Rangers to start was in SFL3.