chico Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 No problem. St Mirren's chairment Stewart Gilmour has said many times that NewCo must be in Div1 otherwise the game is bust. Killie abstained in the SPL vote, didn't think much of sporting integrity in the first place and have stated they will be in Admin without Seveco Well also released statements saying they could be going into Admin, although admittedly there stance hasn't been as clear cut as the rest. I have no doubt many other SPL clubs, not least celtic, are behind this and if not actively involved then at least with tacit encouragement and agreement. From afc's statements they are against this, and certainly that is what I've heard elsewhere, but it would be nice for them to publicly state so. Neil Doncaster may be the face of this mess but don't be fooled into thinking he doesn't have the backing of a large majority of SPL Chairmen. Cheers. Can't see it, but fair enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Andy Kerr, president of the Rangers Supporters Assembly: 'We don't want to be in Division One with sanctions imposed to satisfy other people,' Kerr said. 'It is not a palatable solution at all. In any other football league organisation, you would join it at the bottom.' 'But what can we do? Reject the invitation to join the SFL? Not join a league at all?' 'It is a huge dilemma and it is of huge concern. And why should it be the case that there could be sanctions? Aren't the punishments we have had not been severe enough?' 'We were deducted points last season in SPL. We were fined, we are out of Europe and will be for three seasons.' 'We have lost the vast majority of our first-team squad. I don't know what else they can do?' Mail Online What's that Andy? Deducted 10pts fined about £200k and ineligible for Europe for 3yrs? I can think of plenty else they can do !! Also why would SFL3 mean no sanctions - unless you're a new club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chico Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I'd be delighted if Dundee withdrew their SPL application and ecstatic if Dunfermline followed suit. That would sort this lot out. Oh, and Dunfermline's undignified scrambling to be admitted is starting to piss me off a bit. There's greater precedence in the SPL period for a club getting to stay up rather than there is for 2 up. The get Dundee up campaign isn't dignified either. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islay Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 There's greater precedence in the SPL period for a club getting to stay up rather than there is for 2 up. The get Dundee up campaign isn't dignified either. I would expect my board to do all they can to compete at the highest level of Scottish football, provided it's within the rules of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I'm confused now. Is this meeting due just about Rangers? Isn't it an open place? Can't Spartans, Cove Rangers, etc. apply for the vacant position after Dunfermline/Dundee go up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigster00 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 A rumour that Leishman is on the board? Or a rumour that the document is real, from one of the few sources consistently on the money throughout this whole fiasco (a source who happens to be an internationally-renowned war correspondent)? And Hibs were prominent favours of sporting integrity. Petrie then personally coached Green on how to get back into the SPL. I've not seen anything official which says Leishman is on the board. Maybe he was in the past, and even if he is, who is to day that he agreed to the proposal? He will be representing Dunfermline Athletic FC and its interests, which has been very vocal in its opposition to newco in Division 1. Oh, and we're not Hibs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Jag Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 That`s it for me. The fact is that we should`nt have to fight for this. Now they introduce a fixed vote which they`ll have their sycophants telling us whilst not the best solution is the best result for Scottish football. That`s it for me. I`ve emailed Firhill and informed them the ST won`t be renewed. I`ve also cancelled the D/D for the Centenary Gold membership. If it does`nt matter what we as fans do or say what`s the point in trying to use finance to sway the decisions of our boards? They`ll just wring their hands and say they did their best but that it was a done deal. I think Lochburn may be a bit busy next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I'm confused now. Is this meeting due just about Rangers? Isn't it an open place? Can't Spartans, Cove Rangers, etc. apply for the vacant position after Dunfermline/Dundee go up? Why leave it at Spartans or Cove? If there is a place to be filled in Division 1 then surely all the Division 2 and three clubs are as eligible to apply as anyone else? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghLivi Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) As I said on the other board, there is absolutely no chance of Gordon McDougall advocating Rangers being the 1st Division next season. Edited July 7, 2012 by EdinburghLivi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Well the point is there is a space in the SFL up for grabs. 2nd and 3rd division sides are already members... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theBOX Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 What are the players' views on this? Playing in a set up that is openly rigged? Will they not be looking for moves out of Scottish Football? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Well the point is there is a space in the SFL up for grabs. 2nd and 3rd division sides are already members... The point is that Sevco are being touted for joining the SFL at Division one level and, as you have rightly said, there are members of the SFL who have more rights to the Division one place than a brand new team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) I'm confused now. Is this meeting due just about Rangers? Isn't it an open place? Can't Spartans, Cove Rangers, etc. apply for the vacant position after Dunfermline/Dundee go up? Technically anyone can apply to SFL anytime... just ask for the form, send a non-refundable £1,200 then wait. (Obviously this would normally end with a "thanks for £1,200 but unfortunately we've no league vacancy currently"). That's still the case - SFL clubs are being asked to vote on the 3 parts resolution which involves allowing Dundee/Dunfermline to resign without notice, admitting Rangers and allowing Board to look at SFL1 if things are to their satisfaction. For now it's Rangers-specific. The point is that Sevco are being touted for joining the SFL at Division one level and, as you have rightly said, there are members of the SFL who have more rights to the Division one place than a brand new team. Worth adding that there are non-league clubs more worthy of an SFL3 place than Sevco, too. Edited July 7, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 So we can chip in for Spartans £1,200 and send it in before the meeting? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 What are the players' views on this? Playing in a set up that is openly rigged? Will they not be looking for moves out of Scottish Football? Players are interested in the £'s, nowt else. Not saying that's wrong but their voice means nowt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdrockfromtheSon Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 First stumbling block to that is that I read on SevcoMedia earlier that they reckon the EGM of Dumbarton's Board this morning resolved to support Cevco FC for placement in Division 1 (Dunno if we have anyone who can confirm that???) Not sure where you got that info but I don't think it's quite as straightforward as you make it sound. Chairman Alan Jardine gave his Powerpoint presentation, which, IMHO, was a rehash of the one provided by Cockwomble earlier in the week. Showed £18.3 Mill losses overall. This figure was dissected by P&B's keyboard warriors and LOL'd on here already so I'll leave it at that. Mr Jardine's main worry was about the Sons of the Rock being cast into the wilderness should SPL 2 come along and bite our arse. Our stadium holds around the 2000 mark which falls short of the 3000 SPL2 criterion. He sees a glass ceiling stopping our progression/world domination of SFL, and as a result, debarrment from SPL 2. I have to say, of the 150-200 who attended the EGM, they (IMO) were split in their opinion (the discussions ran from 11am to about 1245 and everyone who wanted to, got their say). The Sons Board don't meet till later this week and there was no indication that they would follow the ballot results. So, in summary, your statement is factually incorrect, but what you think was the result of the Dumbarton FC board might be close to the truth in the end. FWIW, I voted Newco to Div 3 before his presentation began......f**k Sevco 5088. The Sons Board knew my feelings a week ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 For me if Rangers are put into the 1st Division I aint going back no matter what Dougie Rae's position on the matter is. It's less of a boycott and just more of a "what's the fucking point?". I have no desire to watch football in a league that isn't a fair playing field. Agreed. In a technical sense Arbroath aren't represented... Board members are individuals, tasked with forwarding and safeguarding the objects of the league. For example a club can't mandate it's Board rep. Ah, fair enough. To be honest, I don't know a lot about the make up of the individual authorities. Until a couple months ago, I didn't really see any need to learn all about SFL procedures! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Not sure where you got that info but I don't think it's quite as straightforward as you make it sound. Chairman Alan Jardine gave his Powerpoint presentation, which, IMHO, was a rehash of the one provided by Cockwomble earlier in the week. Showed £18.3 Mill losses overall. This figure was dissected by P&B's keyboard warriors and LOL'd on here already so I'll leave it at that. Mr Jardine's main worry was about the Sons of the Rock being cast into the wilderness should SPL 2 come along and bite our arse. Our stadium holds around the 2000 mark which falls short of the 3000 SPL2 criterion. He sees a glass ceiling stopping our progression/world domination of SFL, and as a result, debarrment from SPL 2. I have to say, of the 150-200 who attended the EGM, they (IMO) were split in their opinion (the discussions ran from 11am to about 1245 and everyone who wanted to, got their say). The Sons Board don't meet till later this week and there was no indication that they would follow the ballot results. So, in summary, your statement is factually incorrect, but what you think was the result of the Dumbarton FC board might be close to the truth in the end. FWIW, I voted Newco to Div 3 before his presentation began......f**k Sevco 5088. The Sons Board knew my feelings a week ago. So blackmail? Accept these proposals or forever be barred from the top two tiers of Scottish Football. I hope the Sons don't give into blackmail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdrockfromtheSon Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Yes, can confirm that, vote apparantly 2:1 in favour of newco to first division Told big play on the fact that Dumbarton could lose £90,000 this season (included £60,000 withdrawal of the SPL/Sky money which i'm told CAN'T be withdrawn). Were you there? If so, WTF is a Morton fan doing in a closed-shop Dumbarton EGM? You had to show yout ST, Share Certificate or SonsTrust card to get in. Please do tell how you got in????? Or did you rely on tweets? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Death or glory stuff now. The next week will be an all out war for us fans. Tens of thousands have spoken to say where a NewCo must be placed and yet still the governing bodies persist in trying to sneak this through and hope nothing happens. We're the lifeblood of the game, and yet they still disregard everything we're after. Fans have been more than reasonable to say they'd be content with a NewCo in division 3, they're a toxic, bigoted club who by all rights should be left to rot. Over the next week we must pull out all the stops to email the SFA, SFL, clubs and UEFA to let them know that this is simply intolerable. Hopefully,with the articles by the BBC and Alex Thomson being released, we'll see someone like Hutton start a chain reaction with chairmen saying it should be the decision of clubs. Right now, I think frankly they should be punted into touch. It is tragic, Rovers have done everything perfect during this saga. They've been heralded for their approach and Turnbull's impassioned tellings. However, if Rangers go back in at SFL1 level I don't know if I could stomach paying so much money to go and watch a competition that is rigged towards one team. I'll go to Laurie Ellis's testimonial, as he has been a fantastic servant to the club during his time and giving us Rovers fans our first Scottish cup semi-final in 47 years. Ellis deserves the money that he will receive from the testimonial. But that might well be my last game watching the Rovers. The money can easily be saved and used elsewhere in life. I'd love to go travelling and as it stands I'd rather commit to that than go to watch a game governed by suits with no interest in the fans and only in commercial interest at the top level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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