cyderspaceman Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) Man City have stars on their badge for phuck all. Who actually cares what they put on their badge? Yeah, "We don' need your steenking badges" Substituting "Bhajis" for "badges" can cause social unrest in certain restaurants Edited July 22, 2012 by cyderspaceman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 The SFA membership is what records the clubs achievements. Does it? So what if Rangers FC (IA) had decided to move to England and join the EPL? They would have had to resign their membership of the SFA. Would that have meant that they lost their history? What if another club was started, and applied for the now vacated SFA membership? Would that club have Rangers FC (IA) history? SFA membership carrying history is just another Campbell Ogilvie inspired piece of nonsense to dupe Sevco Scotland Ltd. fans into believing that their club isny pan breid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I'm guessing those clubs that have earned the right to do this would? That does surprise me about Man City. Unless they're part of the design, they must be there to signify something? Whether that's been ratified by another body or not is another matter. Okay, assuming for a moment Wiki is right, the whole stars things is completely unregulated, so whatever I read before must have been written by Traynor or Burley. If Sevco don't get to buy Rangers' history, then expect 5 stars on the strip - one for every 10,000 empty seats at Ibrox. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwiznaeme Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 What if the membership does get transferred? The SFA membership is what records the clubs achievements. I don't think it should be transferred. I hope that the SPL try and strip the titles and it puts Green off from trying the transfer and he applies as a completely Newco with a new membership. That for me would be the end of Rangers FC. IMO if he gets Rangers' membership then it is a continuation. The stripping of the SPL Titles and Scottish Cups that the soon-to-be defunct club won by cheating (dual contracts) is a formality. Trying is not required. What is that cheating b*****d McCoist going to do to stop that from happening!? There is nothing that the cheating b*****d can do to stop it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Well I'm afraid a "purile level" is about my level of understanding I'm afraid. Apologies. The suggestion is that the history is an "asset" that can be bought or sold. Tart it up any way you want, that just doesn't really stack up. Even at a nuclear physics level of understanding. Well, that certainly isn't my suggestion at all... I've no idea how one can trade history as a material asset. I certainly can forsee how the football authorities can regard a football entity as being the same entity as one which existed for X time prior, owing to it having a membership of Y age and having taken responsibilites for actions or achievements (good or bad) which occurred at Z point in the past. I can certainly forsee in turn why that makes legitimate it being "the same club". I can certainly forsee in turn again why that makes legitimate them saying that club has "history". And this has already happened in Scotland, afterall, with Clachnacuddin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversMad Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 It's a fact. If the SFL chairmen weren't so desperate to have Sevco in their league the SPL wouldn't have them over a barrel. Emmmm I really don't think you should be criticising anybody else's chairman........ Now troll along troll! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) The stripping of the SPL Titles and Scottish Cups that the soon-to-be defunct club won by cheating (dual contracts) is a formality. Trying is not required. What is that cheating b*****d McCoist going to do to stop that from happening!? There is nothing that the cheating b*****d can do to stop it! He could walk away, therefore technically not accepting it. Otherwise known as "going in a huff" Edited July 22, 2012 by cyderspaceman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Does it? So what if Rangers FC (IA) had decided to move to England and join the EPL? They would have had to resign their membership of the SFA. Would that have meant that they lost their history? What if another club was started, and applied for the now vacated SFA membership? Would that club have Rangers FC (IA) history? SFA membership carrying history is just another Campbell Ogilvie inspired piece of nonsense to dupe Sevco Scotland Ltd. fans into believing that their club isny pan breid. Did Campbell Ogilvie also want Clydebank's history to transfer to Airdrie United? The SFL list it that way, as HibeeJibee pointed out earlier in the thread. There are not a finite number of SFA memberships. If another club wanted to join the SFA, it could do so without taking on Rangers' membership. If it wanted to transfer the membership of Rangers, then that would require the permission of the oldco, and in that case it would be considered to be a continuation of the old Rangers, and would be liable for the punishments and priveliges of the oldco. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Leitch Loyal Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Real Madrid removed the cross from their badge so as not to upset Muslims. Perhaps Sevco could buy that, put it on their jerseys, then claim Real's history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 The reality is that these things are soon forgotten (apart from by a few obsessives). The same will happen with Rangers. Whatever side of the argument you favour, the practical situation is that as long as the team plays on it will be seen as the same club and the obsessives can jump and up and down and shout, "They're deid! They're deid!" as much as they want.... Basically this is what it all comes down to. Legally Sevco are not Rangers and never will be. In a footballing sense it depends upon whether the SFA accept the transfer of Rangers' share. If you are a pedant then the law of the land takes precedence over Association laws, but if you believe that football is above the law of the land then you can believe Sevco are Rangers. What it will boil down to is who can shout their point of view the loudest. As we have seen Sevco fans humph and grumph but when it comes down to getting heard, Sevco are in division three now and all SPL clubs would have had them in the SPL with point deductions and financial penalties if it was not for the diddy shouting. As a diddy I believe Sevco obsessives can jump and up and down and shout, "We're Rangers! We're Rangers" as much as they want...... And we all know the diddies have proved to shout louder than Sevco. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Did Campbell Ogilvie also want Clydebank's history to transfer to Airdrie United? The SFL list it that way, as HibeeJibee pointed out earlier in the thread. There are not a finite number of SFA memberships. If another club wanted to join the SFA, it could do so without taking on Rangers' membership. If it wanted to transfer the membership of Rangers, then that would require the permission of the oldco, and in that case it would be considered to be a continuation of the old Rangers, and would be liable for the punishments and priveliges of the oldco. Why would it be considered a continuation of the now defunct club? The sanctions would apply to any club which chose to take on the membership of the now defunct Rangers FC (IA). If they want to keep their history, all they have to do is to get the shares from Craig Whyte, and either pay off the clubs debts, or come to some arrangement with their creditors. There's really no other option. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) Okay, assuming for a moment Wiki is right, the whole stars things is completely unregulated, so whatever I read before must have been written by Traynor or Burley. If Sevco don't get to buy Rangers' history, then expect 5 stars on the strip - one for every 10,000 empty seats at Ibrox. Whatever the final outcome, I think every club in the league should put 5 stars on their shirts and make up some cock and bull story to justify it. NO, 6 stars! Edited July 22, 2012 by cyderspaceman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Why would it be considered a continuation of the now defunct club? The sanctions would apply to any club which chose to take on the membership of the now defunct Rangers FC (IA). If they want to keep their history, all they have to do is to get the shares from Craig Whyte, and either pay off the clubs debts, or come to some arrangement with their creditors. There's really no other option. For the same reason that Airdrie United appear to be a continuation of Clydebank (as per the SFL website). A transfer of membership appears to lead to a continuation in the eyes of the authorities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Yeah, "We don' need your steenking badges" Substituting "Bhajis" for "badges" can cause social unrest in certain restaurants We've enough trouble with the cowboys, don't want to upset the Indians too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Over Scotland Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 For the same reason that Airdrie United appear to be a continuation of Clydebank (as per the SFL website). A transfer of membership appears to lead to a continuation in the eyes of the authorities. No membership transfer took place in the case of Airdrie Utd and Clydebank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Why would it be considered a continuation of the now defunct club? The sanctions would apply to any club which chose to take on the membership of the now defunct Rangers FC (IA). If they want to keep their history, all they have to do is to get the shares from Craig Whyte, and either pay off the clubs debts, or come to some arrangement with their creditors. There's really no other option. That would be the ideal situation, yes. It's not how things work though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 No membership transfer took place in the case of Airdrie Utd and Clydebank. Are Airdrie United the same company as Clydebank then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Stretford , the vulutres assemble around the lifeless corpse one by one (UKPA) – 15 minutes ago Controversial football agent Paul Stretford is "assisting" Rangers newco, the Ibrox club have confirmed. Gers chief executive Charles Green is using the services of the agent, who was banned in 2008 for 18 months and fined £300,000 for a number of misconduct charges relating to how he acquired the right to represent Manchester United and England striker Wayne Rooney six years earlier. A spokesman for Rangers told Press Association Sport: "Paul Stretford is assisting the club." Stretford's link with the Ibrox club is revealed as Ally McCoist prepares to bolster his squad for life in the Irn-Bru Third Division next season. On acceptance of Scottish Football Association membership, still to be ratified, the Light Blues' boss will have until September 1 to sign players before a 12-month transfer embargo begins. Rangers fans may wonder about Stretford's remit given the club's new league status and the apparent lack of cash available at Ibrox to bring players in, but confirmation of the Englishman's involvement comes while Green continues to challenge the decisions of the players who walked away from the club this summer. Yesterday, Rangers confirmed that they and Southampton had come to a financial agreement over the transfer of Steven Davis. The two clubs agreed an undisclosed fee for the Northern Irishman, reported as £800,000, although that is disputed by the English club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 No membership transfer took place in the case of Airdrie Utd and Clydebank. What about Leeds and Middlesbrough? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 What about Leeds and Middlesbrough? Those aren't relevant to Scottish football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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