strichener Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Depends on the will to clean up.....took long time for Armstrong to be stripped of titles......lot of anger threats intimidation etc....He was the guy who caused other people to lose their jobs be publicly bullied so he could cling onto titles he used an unfair advantage to earn plus the prize money n endorsements related to those wins....which denied his opponents prize money.....still police Scotland hasn't arrest Lance so all tip top My point was quite simply that if the football authorities take the titles away then the Rangers supporters will entirely agree that this is their perogative. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 But they do allow clubs to be expelled. LNS verdict was final, no going back. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 LNS verdict was final, no going back. No Ifs, no buts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Don't think so Bennett. From Mark Daly's programme onwards, it was about undisclosed side letters and player registration. Wasn't the whole idea thrown up way before Whyte even, by some disgruntled, older former employee, who has since died? I was sure that they changed tact, I'll have search tomorrow for it. I remember the former employees interview (not his name) the guy had dementia and that ch4 guy was correcting his answers and putting words in his mouth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 "Changed tack", a nautical term. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 In every sport all over world, cheating means the removal of honours won. There's no debate about the possible effect of the cheating, or whether the athlete/team would've won without the cheating. As soon as evidence of cheating is uncovered, the honours are removed, no ifs or buts. Cheating = the opposite of sport. That's except for viewers in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 LNS verdict was final, no going back. Ah, double jeopardy. Things change, Scots Law did away with that a wee while ago. "Changed tack", a nautical term. Sevco hoping it wont stick like it did to Oldco, presumably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Somewhat telling that the tact has shifted from "we never did anything wrong" to "the LNS decision is final and cannot be changed" from some... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 No Ifs, no buts? No coconuts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Somewhat telling that the tact has shifted from "we never did anything wrong" to "the LNS decision is final and cannot be changed" from some... Yes, that is pretty much how it's played out. Unfortunately, this final bit of wreckage that they've chosen to cling to as everything else has gone under, will I think, keep them afloat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I was sure that they changed tact, I'll have search tomorrow for it. I remember the former employees interview (not his name) the guy had dementia and that ch4 guy was correcting his answers and putting words in his mouth. I've not seen that interview. I just remember reading that he'd sort of blown the whistle on the issue of side letters and the potential significance of it in terms of player registration. It doesn't much matter if he was struggling and led in a later interview. What he flagged up left Rangers with a clear case to answer. PS No great surprise to see the difficulty with "tact". Didn't I have a go at you for poor manners, just the other day? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aDONisSheep Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) IIRC the side letters came out during the Boumsong (sp) to Newcastle saga? I could be wrong though. Yours aDONis Edited November 14, 2015 by aDONisSheep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) IIRC the side letters came out during the Boumsong (sp) to Newcastle saga? I could be wrong though. Yours aDONis I do remember later reading that Boumsong and his agent had queried the arrangement as they'd never seen anything quite like it before and they felt it looked dodgy.The only other one to really speak out that I'm aware of is Billy Dodds. As a regular Sportsound pundit, I don't think he could stay under the desk forever when the topic was discussed. He eventually consented to being asked about it and said quite clearly that the payments were his wages, and that he didn't concern himself with the detail as this was agent territory. For me the most telling one was a foreign player highlighted by Mark Daly - Sasa Papac perhaps? In his case, some relatively lowly administrative figure at Ibrox questioned what appeared on paper to be an unusually low wage, asking if the large shortfall was being made up via EBT. The answer that came back from on high was that this was indeed the case. These things were what made the FTTT decision back in 2012 so unpalatable. The recent role given to "common sense" should be welcomed. Edited November 14, 2015 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Somewhat telling that the tact has shifted from "we never did anything wrong" to "the LNS decision is final and cannot be changed" from some... So it's now 'so course we cheated. Everybody knows we cheated. But somebody previously made a dodgy decision that we gained no sporting advantage. So it is now impossible to remove the titles in question in case it rips the space / time continuium or something' Seriously how can something as flawed as the ludicrous LNS verdict not be looked at again? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 So it's now 'so course we cheated. Everybody knows we cheated. But somebody previously made a dodgy decision that we gained no sporting advantage. So it is now impossible to remove the titles in question in case it rips the space / time continuium or something' Seriously how can something as flawed as the ludicrous LNS verdict not be looked at again? I don't think there's sufficient will to look at it again. Obviously, the authorities don't wish to, for all the reasons we're familiar with. There's also a different attitude among fans this time, meaning that other clubs needn't bother too much either. You only need to look at the thread about it on the Premier League forum on here, to see that most people can no longer be arsed with this. It really is left to we obsessives to fight the good fight. It's a similar thing with the media. The Daily Record has mounted a campaign, by pretending that this is about giving medals to players who lost cup finals. We've had the Telegraph inventing worried chairmen of other clubs who think they'd need to fork out bonuses. Even Sportsound which has given the issue attention, has had good guys like Tom English and Richard Gordon referring to their boredom with it, while an ignorant fool like Roger Mitchell is given a platform and no challenge. This will blow over and Rangers will keep their titles. The game we love will have been ill served. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 my sympathies on the BRALT still lie with the Rangers fans who are sticking by their club. You soft b******d. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 "Changed tack", a nautical term. Fairly relevant for a sinking ship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njord Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 So it's now 'so course we cheated. Everybody knows we cheated. But somebody previously made a dodgy decision that we gained no sporting advantage. So it is now impossible to remove the titles in question in case it rips the space / time continuium or something' Seriously how can something as flawed as the ludicrous LNS verdict not be looked at again? I'm unsure how he got the gig anyways, he had retired a few years earlier. And he wasn't a Law Lord was he?? (Probably he got paid by ebt for it , electronic bank transfer if you're looking in m'lud). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 You soft b******d. There's only one 'r' in b#####d 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythstoliveby Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I don't think there's sufficient will to look at it again. Obviously, the authorities don't wish to, for all the reasons we're familiar with. There's also a different attitude among fans this time, meaning that other clubs needn't bother too much either. You only need to look at the thread about it on the Premier League forum on here, to see that most people can no longer be arsed with this. It really is left to we obsessives to fight the good fight. It's a similar thing with the media. The Daily Record has mounted a campaign, by pretending that this is about giving medals to players who lost cup finals. We've had the Telegraph inventing worried chairmen of other clubs who think they'd need to fork out bonuses. Even Sportsound which has given the issue attention, has had good guys like Tom English and Richard Gordon referring to their boredom with it, while an ignorant fool like Roger Mitchell is given a platform and no challenge. This will blow over and Rangers will keep their titles. The game we love will have been ill served. Yes, only in Scotland! (well maybe in Russia too - although I'm not sure that even they would stoop to such corrupt levels....) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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