HibeeJibee Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 In Scotland we've actually got the highest attendances per capita in Europe. Look at crowds in Norway, Finland, Ireland, Croatia; all countries with similar populations as Scotland yet their crowds and leagues are worse than ours. Our problem is just the typical Scottish problem of taking ourself down. It's Scottish so it's crap. This. We love to talk ourselves down, and we have the unfortunate position of always comparing (and measuring) ourselves against our neighbours, but Scottish football does very well in comparative terms. There are things we could do better but it'd be nice if we self-flaggelated ourselves less. No chance. It wont happen and even if it did, it could potentially decimate crowds, especially lower down the divisions This. Having SPL/EPL games live in homes and pubs would damage attendances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 P.S. Bomber's daughter. My link ha ha feckin typical blonde bimbo Normally I would, but after hearing her dad the other day, I think i'll wait to see if she sounds like a drunk 24/7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Yes, but TV2 have paid ~£40m for two games per week, plus highlights. Canal+ have paid almost twice that to show the other 6 matches. The 1.6 Billion Kroner is over 4 seasons (as is the 500M Kroner that TV2 are paying) - that comes to, roughly, £40M per season for over 240 league games plus cup matches. The Norwegians get about £166K per game, we currently get £216K per game 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 They don't pay anything for their FA Cup coverage, considering they don't have any. And public service broadcasting isn't just about spending cash equitably it's about meeting the public service. How many people in Scotland watch MotD: and how many people in England would want to watch SPL highlights...? BBC hold rights to SPL highlights, Scottish Cup (shared), League Cup, Challenge Cup, SFL play-offs, Junior Cup, Scotland away internationals, Womens internationals. BBC hold rights to EPL highlights, English League Cup (shared). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 You'd probably find that more people in Wales and NI want to watch the EPL rather than their own leagues. It maybe be the same in Scotland. I never watch the horrific SPL highlights but I do watch the EPL highlights. If SPL highlights were on the night the games where played there would be more interest.And yes I do watch the EPL as well and only because it's HD and why the FCUK aren't our highlights in HD because they are broadcasted or recorded in HD by SKY with BBC cameras ?.SKY makes the TV deal but the BBC hire out the staff and cameras to broadcast and can't cut a deal to show the highlights that night when games are played .And Scottish football ain't that bad buddy ! just because Ronaldo or Fabregas or Teves ain't playing in our league doesn't mean our league can't produce classic games because I've seen plenty of pish poor games from the EPL last season actually lots of pish poor games if I remember correctly .MO MONEY don't mean a better product. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) Accies issue a fence-sitter "Les be friends" PS for those on twitter, Sevco's media man has just tweeted to say that "the morals of it all is a different conversation... doing what's best for Scottish football is the most important issue". Nice to know that they are thinking of us all. Edited July 2, 2012 by archie guevara 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 If SPL highlights were on the night the games where played there would be more interest. Is this not down to Sky-ESPN's contract? We used to have to see highlights on Mondays apart from when there was no live Sunday match, as their live deal (and own highlight contract) gave them 24hr first call on highlights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishes Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 What is he going to do once he sees these documents? Surely they say Sevco Scotland owns them... It was suggested the dodgy blokes that tried to buy QotS and St Mirren could be behind Broon. P.S. Bomber's daughter. My link Wid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) And public service broadcasting isn't just about spending cash equitably it's about meeting the public service. How many people in Scotland watch MotD: and how many people in England would want to watch SPL highlights...? BBC hold rights to SPL highlights, Scottish Cup (shared), League Cup, Challenge Cup, SFL play-offs, Junior Cup, Scotland away internationals, Womens internationals. BBC hold rights to EPL highlights, English League Cup (shared). If the BBC's only obligation is to make content for the masses then they should be spending all our license fees hiring writers, producers and actors in Hollywood. The reality is a lot of our fees are spent supporting jobs in the London economy then the multiplier effect takes places meaning an even greater amount of jobs down there are subsided by us. Read this pretty damning Ofcom study which says Scotland contributes 8.6% of license fee yet just 3.7% of BBC's programme making expenditure gets spent in Scotland. Sorry to get overly political but the truth needs to be told. It would be much better for our economy having these jobs more local. If we genuinely want what's best for our national game this type of institutional unfairness towards Scotland in general needs fixed. Edited July 2, 2012 by ForzaDundee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Leighton Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Sky/Beeb/ESPN pay the lowest fee they can get away with, because there's so little competition for bids. There's also little at stake for losing the bid. I can't imagine too many at Sky are shitting themselves at the prospect of Scottish cancellations. They'd just replace SPL games with one of the foreign leagues not shown if need be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Leighton Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) If the BBC's only obligation is to make content for the masses then they should be spending all our license fees hiring writers, producers and actors in holiday. The reality is a lot of our fees are spent supporting jobs in the London economy then the multiplier effect takes places meaning an even greater amount of jobs down there are subsided by us. Read this pretty damning Ofcom study which says Scotland contributes 8.6% of license fee yet just 3.7% of BBC's programme making expenditure gets spent in Scotland. Sorry to get overly political but the truth needs to be told. It would be much better for our economy having these jobs more local. If we genuinely want what's best for our national game this type of institutional unfairness towards Scotland in general needs fixed. A bit irrelevant surely unless we were restricted to watching / listening to programmes solely produced in Scotland. Instead, almost half of what we contribute goes towards producing home grown programmes that are insignificant compared to the phenomenal overall output of what we get for our licence fee (radio, tv, website, iplayer etc). SNP TV will be like the Outer Hebrides Broadcasting Corporation. Edited July 2, 2012 by Jim Leighton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Accies issue a fence-sitter "Les be friends" PS for those on twitter, Sevco's media man has just tweeted to say that "the morals of it all is a different conversation... doing what's best for Scottish football is the most important issue". Nice to know that they are thinking of us all. If we were to disregard all our morals and do only what is best for Scottish football then could murder of the best foreign players so we will easily win the World Cup.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 If we were to disregard all our morals and do only what is best for Scottish football then could murder of the best foreign players so we will easily win the World Cup.... ^^^^ wouldn't get out the Group stage imo........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) If the BBC's only obligation is to make content for the masses then they should be spending all our license fees hiring writers, producers and actors in holiday. The reality is a lot of our fees are spent supporting jobs in the London economy then the multiplier effect takes places meaning an even greater amount of jobs down there are subsided by us. Read this pretty damning Ofcom study which says Scotland contributes 8.6% of license fee yet just 3.7% of BBC's programme making expenditure gets spent in Scotland. Sorry to get overly political but the truth needs to be told. It would be much better for our economy having these jobs more local. If we genuinely want what's best for our national game this type of institutional unfairness towards Scotland in general needs fixed. As I've just pointed out: BBC shows Scottish top division highlights, 4 League Cup ties, 8 Scottish Cup ties, 2 SFL play-off final ties, 1/2 Challenge Cup ties, 1 Junior Cup tie, Scotland away games and Scotland Womens games, and even 2 Womens CL games recently. They show English top division highlights. (And that's all now... no League Cup/Championship/etc. now, just MotD + final tournaments). Are we really being short-changed there?!?! Edited July 2, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ewing Grahame's broadside on Longmuir was a bit out of character, was it not? He gave it to him tight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Is this not down to Sky-ESPN's contract? We used to have to see highlights on Mondays apart from when there was no live Sunday match, as their live deal (and own highlight contract) gave them 24hr first call on highlights. This just goes to prove how the SPL & SFA have no balls if they can't stand up to SKY/ESPN to show us our highlights at the end of each night even if it was a podcast.They couldn't negotiate their way through an open door by the sounds of things coming out their offices. You would think they would confront SKY publicly to maintain the proposed deal as is talking up the league as THE PACKAGE and not the 4 games between two bigoted clubs as THE PACKAGE.The deal should be struck for the SPL as a whole and not the OF part of it for the sake of other clubs in the event of what just happened to Rangers recently. We should not be focusing on getting the newco into the SPL but more like getting the TV revenue sorted and fixed so it's the league that is for sale only,and the newco can piss off to the 3rd if the diddy clubs will allow them access.If the SPL & SFA had sold the league from the very start then the Rangers would have been booted out like Third Lanark and years later and lads would ask their dads "Dad who were the Rangers" .... "Son they were so greedy they cheated their way to the top,and then one day they got caught and punished severely.The SPL,SFA & SFL dealt with them so much that no other club would ever cheat again as a warning to all the other clubs it was deemed necessary to ban Ibrox from ever holding another league football game to make sure there was never another football club called THE RANGERS". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutty Old Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Hi, I'm new here J There is so much to read, so let's see if I've got this right… le tme know if I've missed anything. Rangers cheated for years by paying players in a way that avoided 40% tax on their income. They were found guilty and have appealed, or are trying to cheat their way out of it. Then under White, Rangers cheated again by not having the money to pay any income tax for a year, which put them into administration, and they were deducted 10 points and fined. Then the SFA slapped a transfer embargo on Rangers for bringing the game into disrepute, which Rangers tried to cheat their way out of by going to the Scottish courts. Which FIFA will surely have something to say about all this once the dust settles. So, Rangers are now in the process of being liquidated, therefore losing their place in the SPL. Yet once again, they are trying to cheat by asking the SPL clubs to change the rules to allow sevco to take rangers place. Now we have another scenario whereby the SPL seem to be bullying the SFL teams into taking sevco into SFL1 with that ridiculous, McDonalds training manual of a document, cheating on Rangers behalf. When will this sevco lot learn? They should not even be asking the question, SPL or SFL1, it's an insult to us all and a complete waste of time. If they want a place in Scottish football they should publicly apologise for the conduct of Rangers and their years of cheating, show us they mean it by accepting every rule, including the ones that will have them apply to re-enter the SFL at division 3 (not a punishment). That way they can personally apologise to every club in Scotland. Also, if sevco want Rangers place, fans, stadium, and history (Jokes!) then they should be responsible for the outstanding debt and the impending punishments from HMRC, FIFA and the SFA. Or make a new team, with no history, debt or impending punishments. If Scottish football can't afford to lose a team like Rangers to the lower leagues and up hold sporting integrity, then there is no point in continuing on an uneven playing field. We should pack up now, choose an English side or go watch the juniors. This is a ridiculous state of affairs, the football authorities of this country should be held accountable for allowing this farce to continue for so long, for entertaining this nonsense and for disrupting the pre-season preparation of every league team in Scotland. Heads must roll. And another thing, if any of my staff sent out a document as amateurish and patronising as the one received by clubs last week, they would not be in a job today. I attached a mock up of what all the kids could be weraing next season at Ibrox Hugs, Ok, first of all, welcome to the forum. I gave you a greenie and you deserved it. Having said that, I've given you some latitude with the tail end of the post. That jersey is remarkably close to probably the most famous Ayr United jersey of all time. So, I hope you will follow up with an apology for the stress that your post may have caused to any of the Somerset faithful by suggesting it be worn by the home team at Ibrox. :blink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 really hope mark lawrenson is one of the commentators on SPL TV 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 THE PACKAGE Lex Luger? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 If the BBC's only obligation is to make content for the masses then they should be spending all our license fees hiring writers, producers and actors in holiday. The reality is a lot of our fees are spent supporting jobs in the London economy then the multiplier effect takes places meaning an even greater amount of jobs down there are subsided by us. Read this pretty damning Ofcom study which says Scotland contributes 8.6% of license fee yet just 3.7% of BBC's programme making expenditure gets spent in Scotland. Sorry to get overly political but the truth needs to be told. It would be much better for our economy having these jobs more local. If we genuinely want what's best for our national game this type of institutional unfairness towards Scotland in general needs fixed. NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde one of the largest health board in Europe has the same budget as the likes of NHS Cumbria which has 1/2 the population. Go SNP! Also if the BBC sacked Chick Young I'd feel better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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