craigkillie Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 But there is no route for SFL Chairmen to do that. That option is not on the table to be voted upon. They are being asked to accept Sevco into the fold, then remit it to the Board to decide if sufficient sweeteners have been offered to bump Sevco to Division 1. And the thing is, the package of sweeteners is being finalised as we speak. As soon as Friday's meeting closes with the remit to the Board, they can announce the bump from 3rd to 1st there and then. If the motion is rejected on Friday, the SFL will have a vacancy. Sevco can then apply for that. That is what should happen, and I'd like to think the Newco in SFL3 brigade (Raith, Stranraer, East Fife etc) will vote against the proposal on Friday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 In his Glasgow Herald column today G Spiers refers to a conversation with a "a prominent St Johnstone fan" in a very patronising way. It would be interesting to hear the fan's version. Over to you, Mr Cosgrove. Britney being patronising (or trying to be)? Wow. Shockerooni. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Dogma Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Hi gents - long time lurker, first time poster! I've been following this whole sorry saga since the start, feeling a mix of disbelief, joy and desperation. I can't wait for the whole thing to end and to get a final answer to be honest. I've again e-mailed the SFA, SPL and SFL with my thoughts, not that it'll make much difference. The only thing we can do now is contact the chairmen of SFL clubs, and try to ram home the strength of fan feeling on this. I've just fired off another message to John Alexander at Clyde to thank him for our clubs clarity so far, and to encourage him to stick to his guns. I'll also be contacting Turnbull Hutton with a similar message. I'm still relatively positive, however - John Yorkston said just the other day that he sees the majority rejecting the idea of the Newco in SFL1 - what has happened in the last few days to change that? Are chairmen seriously going to be influenced by waste of spaces like Traynor and Burley? If anything, this whole story has proven how out of touch these muppets are! Sadly they aren't voting on newco into division one or three...only if they should allow newco into sfl and then the board will articificially punt newco up to sfl one should the vote be a yes....and if the vote is no then the declared stance from regan is that an spl two will be imposed containing newco...utter corruption of the lowest order 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Also I see that self-interest is alive and well down the levels too . According to today's SoS, good old Queen's Park have written to fellow SFL clubs saying that - whilst they support ideas of a single league governing body with 4 divisions - the "proposed introductions of the pyramid system for bringing new clubs into the league should be scrapped", as there is "no sense in expansion [sic]" while the Scottish game is in trouble. Self Fulfilment League? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Apologies if this has already been covered but I've been unable to read all 10 million posts in this thread and the whole Rangers/Sevco issue isn't really big news here in Oz. So it now appears that even if the SFL clubs vote to accept Newco into Div3 that the SFL Board might decide to over-rule this and move them into Div1? So what happens come May 2013 when Sevco haven't won Div1 or even made the play-offs? Will the SPL suddenly rush through a restructure to 14, 16, 18 clubs? Or will they find some other cunning way of ensuring that Newco are promoted? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 A few folk on the Thistle forum questioning whether fans hate them more than they like or love Thistle. Surely if you follow your team amd fellow fans thoughts that becomes a moot fan. Being against the shennanigans of boards football authorities and disreputable business men doesnt make me a better or less fan. I may just choose not to be a supporter until this issue is resolved one way or the other. Power to the diddies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymores Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) If the motion is rejected on Friday, the SFL will have a vacancy. Sevco can then apply for that. That is what should happen, and I'd like to think the Newco in SFL3 brigade (Raith, Stranraer, East Fife etc) will vote against the proposal on Friday. BUT the way they have arranged the proposals means that a majority of Clubs would have to reject Sevco from Scottish Football altogether (by rejecting proposal (i) ) before this further route of open applications can kick-in. Even amongst those declared as being in the Sevco to 3rd camp, I can't see they'd have the bottle to do that - the vote has been managed away from them. My own Club EFFC is one of the very few who have not tacidly accepted the case for a place for Sevco in the 3rd already, but have said that any application by them must follow the established procedure. If you look at the majority of the statements, they say roughly 'we think Rangers should start in the third' Rejecting proposal (i), on the face of it says no to newco altogether, which I think would be a difficult step for many to take. The daft media would be all over it rather than just recognising the established application process should then apply. Edited July 8, 2012 by Claymores 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Run Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Sadly they aren't voting on newco into division one or three...only if they should allow newco into sfl and then the board will articificially punt newco up to sfl one should the vote be a yes....and if the vote is no then the declared stance from regan is that an spl two will be imposed containing newco...utter corruption of the lowest order That may be, but my understanding was that if more than 50% reject the motion, the gap in the Third Division left as a result would go to an open application process? That way, we can prevent them getting straight into the first by saying no, but leave the back door open potentially? Mind you, nothing seems predictable in this! For all we know, a no vote could result in the Newco being somehow shoe-horned into the SPL or SPL2...with less than a month till the season starts!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Let's say for instance that Rangers DO end up in SFL 3, we will then be able to see whether restructuring is a serious offer, or whether it was shamelessly used as a bribe to corrupt our game. If restructuring is taken off the table in this scenario then this whole charade goes beyond secret whispers and allegations, it should become a full on investigation into the corruption at the top of our game by UEFA, the police, whoever. Problem is - what are they investigating? If SPL's finances are wrecked through reduced income, it's a valid justification for removing what was only ever an idea "as it's no longer viable" etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I have been in and out all morning, only bit of encouraging news was a 10 second snippet on Radio Scotland saying that John Yorkston has insisted it will be the SFL clubs NOT the SFL board who will take the final decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Bit of a random one here, but with Dundee or Dunfermline going up and Rangers coming into either Div 1 or Div 3, will the Ramsdens Challenge Cup draw need redone? Both Dundee and Dunfermline are in the North/East half of the draw whereas Rangers would presumably need to be in the South/West. This shouldn't matter, tbh. Either Rangers takes-over Dundee/Dunfermline's R1 tie... or the opponent is byed... or Dundee/Dunfermline continue to participate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alimci Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I'm sure this must have been worked out by someone 6000 pages back, but does anyone know what Stenhousemuir would theoretically get from a giant orc invasion several times a season, as opposed to their share of the SPL payment they are being blackmailed with? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Apologies if this has already been covered but I've been unable to read all 10 million posts in this thread and the whole Rangers/Sevco issue isn't really big news here in Oz. So it now appears that even if the SFL clubs vote to accept Newco into Div3 that the SFL Board might decide to over-rule this and move them into Div1? So what happens come May 2013 when Sevco haven't won Div1 or even made the play-offs? Will the SPL suddenly rush through a restructure to 14, 16, 18 clubs? Or will they find some other cunning way of ensuring that Newco are promoted? Yes that, is why they want play offs. alternatively they may pressure Dundee and Dunfermline to be quiet (the SPL is skint you'll get £30,000 for finishing 12th / wait a year and we'll have 14 teams - finish in top three and you'll get promoted.) and invite Newco to be Team 12. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 This shouldn't matter, tbh. Either Rangers takes-over Dundee/Dunfermline's R1 tie... or the opponent is byed... or Dundee/Dunfermline continue to participate. Can you confirm/obliterate my assumption that Newco require 75% of the vote on proposal (i) this Friday due to this proposal raising the SFL to 31 teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteran Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 All this talk of an SPL 2 being created if Newco are not admitted into Div 1 is a load of meaningless hot air. What clubs will be able to enter SPL 2? Not current members of the SFL , who require to give 2 years notice before quitting the leagues. What a bonanza any attempt to short-cut that would be for the legal fraternity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodmoorhill Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I don't believe violence solves anything and I certainly don't condone it. However, should one of the Club representatives at Friday's meeting finally snap under the pressure of it all, and give Longmuir a thorough panelling, I feel I could find it in my heart to forgive them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Rangers had run a tax scheme that HMRC regarded as evasion. Rangers had a 'case to answer' that allied to this tax scheme the players had dual contracts. Rangers, under Craig Whyte, deliberately withheld NHI and VAT payments over a period of many months The Rangers manager contributed to SFA tribunal panel members being abused and threatened by calling for names to be made public. Names he either already had or could easily get access to. Rangers, or at least their representatives, took the SFA to a civil court in an attempt to have a 'penalty' that had already been appealed overturned. Charles Green, the chief executive of newco Rangers has still refused to name his financial backers. The Scottish footballing authorities response to all this is to ignore the overwhelming view of Scottish football fans, to try to intimidate and bully SFL clubs, to ignore the standard procedures and to minimise the impact on a newco Rangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymores Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Can you confirm/obliterate my assumption that Newco require 75% of the vote on proposal (i) this Friday due to this proposal raising the SFL to 31 teams. I think Longmuie et al can easily sidestep your point by saying the proposals are to accept Sevco 'in principle' as and when the (very likely) vacancy arises due to the resignation of Dumfi/Dundee. The subsequent proposal for placement relate to the position when there would be 30 Clubs including Sevco. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Please, please, please, please make this the time for reconstruction. ... pyramid system below. See my post above r.e. QP's opposition to the pyramid system . Not sure if I'm correct here or not, I think the SFL and their lawyers have made a huge mistake here. They have put the Dundee/Dunfermline issue in at (iii), obviously as a wee guarantee, ie, the SFL vote against (i) the SPL just make Newco club 12. The work of your typical insidious conning b*****d, we've all accepted that. But, how can the vote on question (i) be a simple majority, unless I'm missing a biggy, the order of questions constitutes a new structure ie 31 teams in the SFL, 75% required for that if I'm not mistaken. Don't think they can have their cake and eat it, as much as they feel they can. Can you confirm/obliterate my assumption that Newco require 75% of the vote on proposal (i) this Friday due to this proposal raising the SFL to 31 teams. Firstly, they wouldn't necessarily have to vote on them in order, and it'd be straw-clutching rather to hope they literally can't vote (i) before (iii) moments later. Secondly, nowhere does it say all members have to be in divisions. Back in 2000 when SPL was expanding, SFL elected Peterhead + Elgin to membership in January and it was clear they'd play in SFL3 - but they evidetly belonged to no division until mid-May. Also presumably it'd be dressed-up as 'provisional' per Claymore's post. Edited July 8, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuntoiRab Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Sadly they aren't voting on newco into division one or three...only if they should allow newco into sfl and then the board will articificially punt newco up to sfl one should the vote be a yes....and if the vote is no then the declared stance from regan is that an spl two will be imposed containing newco...utter corruption of the lowest order Only if those in SFL D1 say yes please to an invite into SPL2. I think they'd be better refusing and leave the SPL out to dry. Disillusioned fans could then flock to a fair honest competition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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