craigkillie Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't think Lionel Messi actually said what is quoted in his signature either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jordo1872 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Err no. You'll find your club along with twenty-eight others from the SFL will have the chance on Thursday to excercise their democratic right on whether this idea is adopted. Disagree with the proposals all you like but don't misrepresent the situation.n Point taken. Not the most accurate of statements but the sentiment remains. The SPL are attempting to drive through change for their sole benefit under the guise of 'better for all'. I believe the SFL clubs will vote this down. I hope I'm correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordo1872 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't think Lionel Messi actually said what is quoted in his signature either. Really? Thanks for clearing that up champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 That's pretty sensible and sums up my feelings too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Point taken. Not the most accurate of statements but the sentiment remains. The SPL are attempting to drive through change for their sole benefit under the guise of 'better for all'. I believe the SFL clubs will vote this down. I hope I'm correct. Really? If they do then it's the status quo...probably until the SPL can buy off the Division One clubs and the SFL rump will be cast aside IMO Surely better to get the combined league body, put up with the 12-12-18 for the 3 years or whatever it has to be and then worry about the league structure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pride_of_the_Clyde Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Point taken. Not the most accurate of statements but the sentiment remains. The SPL are attempting to drive through change for their sole benefit under the guise of 'better for all'. I believe the SFL clubs will vote this down. I hope I'm correct. Naturally I'm inclined to be suspicious of the SPL as you are too, but I think we have to give something a go and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. Particularly so given I quite like the format of their set up. I think it'll be a close run thing but if they agree to the 2014/2015 season then I think it could make it through. I also completely agree with Ed when he says that the SPL won't take a 'no' vote lying down. It'll end up being a privatised twenty-four including their pals at SevCo and whoever else they think are profitable enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordo1872 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 1359396343[/url]' post='7026615']Really? If they do then it's the status quo...probably until the SPL can buy off the Division One clubs and the SFL rump will be cast aside IMO Surely better to get the combined league body, put up with the 12-12-18 for the 3 years or whatever it has to be and then worry about the league structure Well, that old depend largely on the new voting format, which moving forward is far more important than any league structure. If its one club one vote then I wouldn't necessarily be against the new format, as if it turned out to be a failure it could be democratically changed in future. If however its weighted voting rights for the larger clubs, and that seems to be the opinion of my club's chairman, then I'd be categorically against the proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Well, that old depend largely on the new voting format, which moving forward is far more important than any league structure. If its one club one vote then I wouldn't necessarily be against the new format, as if it turned out to be a failure it could be democratically changed in future. If however its weighted voting rights for the larger clubs, and that seems to be the opinion of my club's chairman, then I'd be categorically against the proposal. Deciding on anything on the basis you can change it again is not a great decision making thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 That's pretty sensible and sums up my feelings too. I'm with Lachlan, the status quo is unthinkable going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordo1872 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 1359399748[/url]' post='7026765']Deciding on anything on the basis you can change it again is not a great decision making thought process. Well yes. I'd agree completely, but the point is that the voting rights are far more important than the league structure. If they have to come as a package, and that's currently what the SPL propose, then getting a democratic voting structure is the 'win' as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Well, that old depend largely on the new voting format, which moving forward is far more important than any league structure. If its one club one vote then I wouldn't necessarily be against the new format, as if it turned out to be a failure it could be democratically changed in future. If however its weighted voting rights for the larger clubs, and that seems to be the opinion of my club's chairman, then I'd be categorically against the proposal. Let's assume that the people running SPL clubs aren't entirely the fucking idiots they are often painted as and let's also assume that they haven't collectively been infected with terminal naivety or overwhelmed with a sudden attack of philanthropy, then I'd imagine that it's pretty safe to assume that the 3-2-1 voting previously suggested is going to be tied into a minimum two-thirds majority requirement (which means the third tier 18 require all the second tier 12 plus FOUR of the top tier 12 to effect change). There is NOT under any circumstances and nor should there be 1 Club, 1 Vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordo1872 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 1359401175[/url]' post='7026875'].There is NOT under any circumstances and nor should there be 1 Club, 1 Vote Wrong. If we're talking about merging in to one, unified body, then it absolutely should be 1 club 1 vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Wrong. If we're talking about merging in to one, unified body, then it absolutely should be 1 club 1 vote. Why the Hell would the full time pro clubs put their futures in the hands of part-time clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordo1872 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 1359402162[/url]' post='7026922']Why the Hell would the full time pro clubs put their futures in the hands of part-time clubs? Since when did Scottish football consist of only SPL clubs? Their futures? The future of Scottish football should be about what's right for the entire game, not a select number of self serving clubs based on league position. If that doesn't suit their agenda then tough sh!t. Full-time SPL clubs broke away for the exact purpose of controlling their own destiny, and made a rip roaring arse of it. Your logic is also fucking laughable. Let's apply it to general society, start giving the middle class three votes in future general elections. Somewhere in between? You can have two. Working class? Sorry pal just the one for you. After all, why would the rich and successful put their futures in the hands of the poor. Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I agree with a single league body but I'm not sure that acceding to an unsuitable league structure is the way to go about getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Since when did Scottish football consist of only SPL clubs? Their futures? The future of Scottish football should be about what's right for the entire game, not a select number of self serving clubs based on league position. If that doesn't suit their agenda then tough sh!t. Full-time SPL clubs broke away for the exact purpose of controlling their own destiny, and made a rip roaring arse of it. Your logic is also fucking laughable. Let's apply it to general society, start giving the middle class three votes in future general elections. Somewhere in between? You can have two. Working class? Sorry pal just the one for you. After all, why would the rich and successful put their futures in the hands of the poor. Laughable. What a fucking Drama Queen. You only just managed to stop short of the old "this isn't a million miles away from what Adolf Hitler was about". We're talking about football, not society in general so let's not apply comparisons that are hysterical, knicker wetting bollocks. I presume when the pyramid is in place (if your democratically minded clubs deign to allow it of course) you will be demanding a 1 club, 1 vote for all 400 clubs all the way down the ladder to Pleasure Park FC. Well, of course you will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordo1872 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 1359404595[/url]' post='7027037'] I presume when the pyramid is in place (if your democratically minded clubs deign to allow it of course) you will be demanding a 1 club, 1 vote for all 400 clubs all the way down the ladder to Pleasure Park FC. 1359404595[/url]' post='7027037'] What a fucking Drama Queen. Hmm...! Everyone bar Inverurie Locos gets a vote. East Stirlingshie will dictate to the Locos, being the bigger club n that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Really? If they do then it's the status quo...probably until the SPL can buy off the Division One clubs and the SFL rump will be cast aside IMO Surely better to get the combined league body, put up with the 12-12-18 for the 3 years or whatever it has to be and then worry about the league structure I think this is the pragmatic approach... provided: [1] fair Board and voting rights (which doesn't see "the 18" sidelined or put at the mercy of the 24) and [2] fair ground criteria, promotion-relegation, and financial breakdowns. Also I'd prefer any restructure next summer, versus moving goalposts now. Wrong. If we're talking about merging in to one, unified body, then it absolutely should be 1 club 1 vote. It won't be, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roker Rover Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 British Premier League 20 teams including Rangers and Celtic British Championship 24 teams including Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee United British League 1 24 teams including, Dundee, Killmarnock, Motherwell and ICT. 5 Regional Feeder Leagues South East, South West & Wales, Midlands, North, Scotland Pyramids down from each feeder league. International football? Meh.. Just going off club size as opposed to how good each club are at the moment. With all due respect that's a shocking idea and you clearly know next to diddly about English Geography. You think there are as many clubs in the South West and Wales as the 'North'. I have news for you, there are more clubs in Yorkshire alone than the South West and Wales. Oh and we don't want or need any Scottish clubs down here thanks and we certainly don't want those 2 bigoted ones. I support a premier league team (Sunderland) which has zero chance of winning the thing, what incentive is there for us to invite 2 other clubs into our top flight, thereby relegating 2 extra English clubs, which could easily end up being mine? There is a very simple solution to this Rangers and Celtic into England thing. All they have to do is apply to join the second division of the Northern Alliance. This league includes teams in Cumbria. They could then move their grounds to Carlisle and apply to join the English FA. After just one year, they could be up and running and playing in the English pyramid and a mere 14 years later they could be playing in the Premiership. Anyone club could do this, even one that does not currently exist. We could start a Pie and Bovril FC and be in the champions league before the high speed rail link is finished. It really is that simple, but I suspect these two clubs are far too arrogant to do this and may even want to continue playing in Scotland ,after they supposedly 'leave'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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