Hedgecutter Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 If I am dropping money in the cup, I always try to have a quick glance on its contents. It's only ever got a few coppers in there, even if the guy couldn't stand up because of the weight of pound coins in his jacket pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Didn't have a goatee the last time i saw him, he does kinda look like Ford Kiernan, didn't know he'd been doing it that long, i last saw him (last time i was at Partick in the morning) about 4 years ago. I specifically remember him walking 'Mikey' from big brother from the train station to the blind radio station he worked at with a big umbrella ushering people aside like mikey was the queen. I think we're talking about the same guy, used to dress up in a Santa suit at Christmas and come out with wee rhymes as a sales pitch. I would estimate he did it from 1996-2009 ish, which is longer than I'm likely to stay in any one job in my career, so fair play to him although not if he was scamming benefits and denying a more deserving person a chance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The message is greater than the messenger. So what's his plan? More of the same medicine that clearly hasn't worked while people like him can probably lift their child allowance to spend in Costa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 It would be much less tedious if you ideologues actually proposed solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Anyone mentioned eating the dog yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Rover Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Anyone mentioned eating the dog yet? #81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 #81 Oh, thank goodness. I'd hate for someone to neglect to mention that the homeless could eat their dogs when they got hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Similarly, a few months back I was out in Edinburgh and there was a beggar sitting by the cash machine next to Tesco express across the road from the Playhouse who was a bit of a c**t. Threw away an empty bottle of cider and was giving abuse to a few Glaswegians out on a night out for not giving him more money after using the machine. It is a shame, as people remember incidents such as that which denies others. I know the guy you're talking about, he's an aggressive bawbag. Mind you I'm pretty sure he once told my brother that he'd dropped £20, which it's fair to say is an extremely generous thing for a begger to do. How do you know? Maybe whatever they spend the handful of change they've gathered over the course of a day will help them through another night. I don't think I'm best placed to decide how a person living on the street should be living their lives, so I don't judge them on what they're likely to spend their money on. If they want to spent the 45p or whatever I have in my pocket on something that numbs the pain a little then so be it. I'm not going to ask any questions. Questioning the homeless on what they would spend any money you may or may not lay on them is ridiculous, self-righteous bullshit. Either drop the money in the cup or walk on by. I'm not a religious person, but the phrase "There but for the grace of God go I" always struck me as fitting when it comes to explaining why I think it's a good thing to help your fellow man out when he or she has reached the point of homelessness. It could happen to any of us. Count your blessings, and if you can spare that loose change then the man lying destitute on the street would appreciate it. That wasn't directed at you by the way, Erin, it's just my general thoughts on the matter. I hear what you're saying, I'll explain what I meant. I've been in a job which is relevant to homeless people and homeless accomodation, I don't want to go into what the job was too much on a public forum but I do have a wee bit of experience with this. Unless I was grossly mis-informed, I was led to believe that people who are homeless will be helped out by the system, but if they're taking drugs or drinking in temporary housing they'll be booted out. Therefore, if someone's begging on the street they're almost certainly alcoholics or drug addicts, although I'm sure there's exceptions. I have to stress that I don't judge them for having an addiction, and as you say if they can numb the pain for a bit then that's not my business. However, I think people giving homeless people money doesn't help them in the long-term. It's extremely sad that people have lost faith in themselves that much that they'd rather be an addict on the street than be clean and housed, and they don't deserve contempt for that all. I just think if people got no money from begging they might have to get help from the system, and as horrible as it'd be for them they might be glad for it years down the line. People can turn their lives around, the tragic reality is that a lot of people on the streets might not care about themselves enough to to try and sort it out. If they're given plenty of cash to keep doing what they're doing they'll probably never get a chance to respect themselves again (as cheesy as that sounds) so IMO not everyone who doesn't want to help feed someone's addiction is being self-righteous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebeneezer Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Straying from the topic here, but it's no secret that many rough sleepers have serious alcohol problems. I think it's disgusting the way some major brewers make a lot of money out of this market by producing super-strength lagers. And it is big business, both Tennents Super and Carlsberg Special Brew can be found in the top-30 best-selling alcoholic drinks, despite them having a combined advertising budget of zero. They are aimed directly at chronic alcoholics. I do often buy the Big Issue as it's good to see homeless people doing something to help themselves. Granted, there will be a few rogue sellers but the overwhelming majority of vendors are perfectly civil. I'm not too keen on giving cash to beggars, but I'll toss a few coins to an old bloke if he looks down and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Rover Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I'm not too keen on giving cash to beggars, but I'll toss a few coins to an old bloke if he looks down and out. Drachma and lira IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I know the guy you're talking about, he's an aggressive bawbag. Mind you I'm pretty sure he once told my brother that he'd dropped £20, which it's fair to say is an extremely generous thing for a begger to do. I hear what you're saying, I'll explain what I meant. I've been in a job which is relevant to homeless people and homeless accomodation, I don't want to go into what the job was too much on a public forum but I do have a wee bit of experience with this. Unless I was grossly mis-informed, I was led to believe that people who are homeless will be helped out by the system, but if they're taking drugs or drinking in temporary housing they'll be booted out. Therefore, if someone's begging on the street they're almost certainly alcoholics or drug addicts, although I'm sure there's exceptions. I have to stress that I don't judge them for having an addiction, and as you say if they can numb the pain for a bit then that's not my business. However, I think people giving homeless people money doesn't help them in the long-term. It's extremely sad that people have lost faith in themselves that much that they'd rather be an addict on the street than be clean and housed, and they don't deserve contempt for that all. I just think if people got no money from begging they might have to get help from the system, and as horrible as it'd be for them they might be glad for it years down the line. People can turn their lives around, the tragic reality is that a lot of people on the streets might not care about themselves enough to to try and sort it out. If they're given plenty of cash to keep doing what they're doing they'll probably never get a chance to respect themselves again (as cheesy as that sounds) so IMO not everyone who doesn't want to help feed someone's addiction is being self-righteous. Spot on, if they get cash 1 day the incentive is to return, and return, and return...... Disagree with the . Unless I was grossly mis-informed, I was led to believe that people who are homeless will be helped out by the system, but if they're taking drugs or drinking in temporary housing they'll be booted out. Therefore, if someone's begging on the street they're almost certainly alcoholics or drug addicts, although I'm sure there's exceptions. part though. They will only be helped by the system by conforming to the system. Not always wanted or needed.For my own part, for the last 5 years I have never considered myself homeless, rather that I don't have a home (apart from the year on the Isle). Difference. It has just seemed like a big camping trip. A lot of this possibly comes from the fact I was not a 'city boy'. I knew that, for example as I posted on a recent thread, that you could go and pick winkles if desperate. Up here it was £190 for 55kg bag at Xmas, easily doable in a day. As long as I have work to go too I will be non-bored, yet say if the work folded I would be in so much better off a place than those tied to a house/mortgage that I work with. I could be 200 miles away the next day looking to start work there and then. It goes much further than temp accomadation, it is the general housing malaise that is the problem. Too many people with multiple houses driving the price of owner housing up and up which in turn drives the rental market. Could do with a 70% housing crash imo, but the average person on the street wouldn't hack that. Too much reliance on the equity and pension funds etc, but it is what would make a bigger change in homelessness compared to any amount of legislation. Probably the 'right to buy' is a bigger reason to celebarate the impending death of 'her' than the miners treatment, it turned the country into property owning greed merchants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Anyone mentioned eating the dog yet? I think the Koreans did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeebarry Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I know the guy you're talking about, he's an aggressive bawbag. Mind you I'm pretty sure he once told my brother that he'd dropped £20, which it's fair to say is an extremely generous thing for a begger to do. I hear what you're saying, I'll explain what I meant. I've been in a job which is relevant to homeless people and homeless accomodation, I don't want to go into what the job was too much on a public forum but I do have a wee bit of experience with this. Unless I was grossly mis-informed, I was led to believe that people who are homeless will be helped out by the system, but if they're taking drugs or drinking in temporary housing they'll be booted out. Therefore, if someone's begging on the street they're almost certainly alcoholics or drug addicts, although I'm sure there's exceptions. I have to stress that I don't judge them for having an addiction, and as you say if they can numb the pain for a bit then that's not my business. However, I think people giving homeless people money doesn't help them in the long-term. It's extremely sad that people have lost faith in themselves that much that they'd rather be an addict on the street than be clean and housed, and they don't deserve contempt for that all. I just think if people got no money from begging they might have to get help from the system, and as horrible as it'd be for them they might be glad for it years down the line. People can turn their lives around, the tragic reality is that a lot of people on the streets might not care about themselves enough to to try and sort it out. If they're given plenty of cash to keep doing what they're doing they'll probably never get a chance to respect themselves again (as cheesy as that sounds) so IMO not everyone who doesn't want to help feed someone's addiction is being self-righteous. Good post, fair doos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Some compelling stuff here. And people, myself included, moan when we have to step out of a nice cosy house into the cold, knowing fine well we can walk back into that house again. I've seen things in another light now. Wunfellaf, if our paths ever happen to cross, there's a pint for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Phoenix Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 . Wunfellaf, if our paths ever happen to cross, there's a pint for you. Fucking typical, not a thought for the poor dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Fucking typical, not a thought for the poor dog. Alright phil Collins, pipe down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Some compelling stuff here. And people, myself included, moan when we have to step out of a nice cosy house into the cold, knowing fine well we can walk back into that house again. I've seen things in another light now. Wunfellaf, if our paths ever happen to cross, there's a pint for you. Done!! As I am down in the Pans a couple of times a year you never know Philpy, I don't consider myself hard done by/ in need/ screwed by the system or whatever, more like as the 'back orifice' posters would say 'unlucky'. It has forced me to spend more times out of doors and get a new job, both of which I like. I am back fecking about in boats and for a change I'm qualified to do so. Put it like this, if you spend all day at work in a cold/wet enviroment with no electricity/ fresh water / toilet etc even at break times, it is not much hardship when finished work to continue on that way. There are showers in the public toilets + campsites, open fires in the hotels where I socialise (which are doggy friendly) and life could be a damn site worse. Even up the hills where I spend a fair bit of time, I know the spots where I can get internet access so even if I see/speak to nobody from Friday 4/30pm to Monday 8am I am far from out of touch. Look at my post count on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Fucking typical, not a thought for the poor dog. She doesn't like Guinness or Laphroig........ which good for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Done!! As I am down in the Pans a couple of times a year you never know Philpy, I don't consider myself hard done by/ in need/ screwed by the system or whatever, more like as the 'back orifice' posters would say 'unlucky'. It has forced me to spend more times out of doors and get a new job, both of which I like. I am back fecking about in boats and for a change I'm qualified to do so. Put it like this, if you spend all day at work in a cold/wet enviroment with no electricity/ fresh water / toilet etc even at break times, it is not much hardship when finished work to continue on that way. There are showers in the public toilets + campsites, open fires in the hotels where I socialise (which are doggy friendly) and life could be a damn site worse. Even up the hills where I spend a fair bit of time, I know the spots where I can get internet access so even if I see/speak to nobody from Friday 4/30pm to Monday 8am I am far from out of touch. Look at my post count on here You ever go to the goth for a pint in the pans? Cracking boozer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 You ever go to the goth for a pint in the pans? Cracking boozer Couple of times, though mainly 'the station' ? I think. The folk I visit generally drink in Leith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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