WILLIEA Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I see I got a red from the poster Tedi for saying that I thought the Rangers fans in a video clip a few pages back were embarrassing. That is fair enough, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I think they are embarrassing because they are inarticulate, brainwashed/braindead and obviously intellectually challenged. Could Tedi please come on and argue as to what makes my opinion wrong. If he convinces me I will give him all my greenies for a whole week!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I'm no economist, but how is a shipyard that mainly builds military vehicles for the Government, paid for by the taxpayer, being competitive and prosperous in the free market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysnotter Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Yes. For a start, an independent Scottish government can choose not to build support vessels in Korea. Sounds like a fool proof plan. How many vessels is the Scottish Government going to build to sustain all of these jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Sounds like a fool proof plan. How many vessels is the Scottish Government going to build to sustain all of these jobs? I'm no economist, but how is a shipyard that mainly builds military vehicles for the Government, paid for by the taxpayer, being competitive and prosperous in the free market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysnotter Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I'm no economist, but how is a shipyard that mainly builds military vehicles for the Government, paid for by the taxpayer, being competitive and prosperous in the free market? It isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 It isn't. Correct, and the folly of claiming that those 4,000 jobs need a No vote to be safe, as BT has repeatedly told us, is laid bare. So long as those yards depend solely on military contracts from the Royal Navy, then there is nothing in their future except further workforce reductions. The RN bought 6 T45s to replace 12 (out of 16 originally built) T42s, they want to build 13 T26s to replace 13 (out of 16 originally built) T23s, the 12 T22s were allowed to retire without replacement. 3 Invincible class aircraft carriers have been replaced with 2 QE super carriers, the helicopter carrier, HMS Ocean, looks sure to go without replacement. Add to that, the vessel operational life is much higher than it used to be: THe QE carriers are expected to do 50 years of service, expect to get about 35 out of the T45s - more assuming there is no significant wear and tear on them (the cheaply built T42s were falling apart after 3 months in the South Atlantic). The RN of 2020 will be a much smaller beast than ever envisaged by successive SDRs. Even keeping an industrial drumbeat going will mean smaller workforces with less ships to replace over a longer period. Unless there is a diversification away from miltiary contracts - something that will never happen while BAE own the yards - then the shipyards face inexonerable squeezing until they are gone altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Good old Referendum, saving Scottish shipyards that the Tories would otherwise be pushing BAE to close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 No referendum and SNP threat, no shipyards. The unionists need to think on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Referendum uncertainty forcing the Tories to favour Glasgow over a Labour/Tory marginal. Pleasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Looks like the Seperatists are DELIBERATELY pressuring the UK to protect thousands of Scottish jobs and the continuation of assets such as refineries and international airports. Scotland ('s economic depression) on pause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 If it's a no vote (Which I'm pretty sure it will be) Then hold on tight for the backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 You can't help get the feeling the shit is going to hit the fan with the English over Portsmouth. If the situation was reversed we would be up in arms over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 If it's a no vote (Which I'm pretty sure it will be) Then hold on tight for the backlash. What makes you so sure it will be a no vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Looks like the Seperatists are DELIBERATELY pressuring the UK to protect thousands of Scottish jobs and the continuation of assets such as refineries and international airports. Scotland ('s economic depression) on pause. Why is the UK so worried about losing Scotland if it is such an economic basket case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 What makes you so sure it will be a no vote? Probably every single opinion poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Why is the UK so worried about losing Scotland if it is such an economic basket case? Cos we been makin da babies 4 freehundred yeers. Strapping Scottish sex symbols like the Porridge advert guy and Steven Thompson keeping the union dream alive, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Cos we been makin da babies 4 freehundred yeers. Strapping Scottish sex symbols like the Porridge advert guy and Steven Thompson keeping the union dream alive, imo. Sorry you've lost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 The fun thing about reading stuff on Independence here, is you can hear a story, then have a guess at how it'll be described as a disaster for Salmond in the Quisling press. Grangemouth faces closure: Potential disaster for SNP. Grangemouth doesn't close: Still a disaster for SNP. 'Politics of the Clyde' prevents job losses in Scotland: Disaster for Scotland. Mugs. Look out for a rise in seethe levels towards Scotland in UK tabloid press by the way. Probably a good thing actually, I can't think of anything more likely to win votes than the Daily Mail focussing it's hatred on us more acutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Sorry you've lost me. Was just referencing the only 'positive case' for the Union offered on here after over 1000 pages. Human reproduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Was just referencing the only 'positive case' for the Union offered on here after over 1000 pages. Human reproduction. Yes, I'll miss that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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