DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Incidentally, not much chat on that Road to the Referendum programme? I'm not in the country so didn't watch it, but I'm surprised at how little has been said. Its almost like the Unionists have spent days trying to avoid any mention of it... I had my say,but I think it may of been one of my 'not worth replying to' jobs in Nationalist eyes. Basically the main point being it's all above politics,it's about who people are. If you're Scottish/British/UK or Scottish. Identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Geography not your strong point then. Wolf mentioned Wales,Scotland and England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 What is your definition of "of note"? I've been to England before, and I always see a sign when I'm crossing the border! Well I don't know the correct terminology,but I would describe the current borders as 'cerimonial',rather than political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Well I don't know the correct terminology,but I would describe the current borders as 'cerimonial',rather than political. Well how about two "foreign" countries? So for example, the Netherlands and Belgium? This is their border: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I had my say,but I think it may of been one of my 'not worth replying to' jobs in Nationalist eyes. Basically the main point being it's all above politics,it's about who people are. If you're Scottish/British/UK or Scottish. Identity. In that case embrace your Frenchness because the channel seperates you and thats not really there. Actually we had a political union with France before a political union with uk, lets all be French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Waiting for you to point out lessons learnt from Irish Independance. Hey come on Sonshero,i've done that a couple of times. Huh huh. Irelands road to becoming a Republic lacked respect from Westminster and was a all too oftena bloody mess. Scotlands cry for referendum has been heard and respected. Spot the difference and possibly lessons learnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Wolf mentioned Wales,Scotland and England. You keep telling us there is no border, please make your mind up before it explodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Well how about two "foreign" countries? So for example, the Netherlands and Belgium? This is their border: That's a nice 'border',no argument. I can't say I know too much about the splitting of Holland and Belgium. Did'nt they both want it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 In that case embrace your Frenchness because the channel seperates you and thats not really there. Actually we had a political union with France before a political union with uk, lets all be French. f**k off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Hey come on Sonshero,i've done that a couple of times. Huh huh. Irelands road to becoming a Republic lacked respect from Westminster and was a all too oftena bloody mess. Scotlands cry for referendum has been heard and respected. Spot the difference and possibly lessons learnt? Irish home rule was put forward by Westminster. Are you really telling me that you think that not sending troops onto the streets of Scotland to suppress thoughts of Scottish Nationalism was a result of Irish Independance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 f**k off! List of UK Prime Ministers The following UK Prime Ministers attended university at either Oxford or Cambridge. Thus, of the 55 Prime Ministers to date, 41 studied at Oxbridge, That's very near 4 in 5. 11 did not go to university, and only 3, Earl Russell, Neville Chamberlain, and Gordon Brown, went to other universities (Edinburgh, Birmingham and Edinburgh respectively). PM PM dates College Robert Walpole 1721-1742 King's, Cambridge Earl of Wilmington 1742-1743 Trinity, Oxford Henry Pelham 1743-1746 Hart Hall, Oxford Earl of Bath 1746 Christ Church, Oxford Duke of Newcastle 1754-1756 Clare, Cambridge George Grenville 1763-1765 Christ Church, Oxford Marquess of Rockingham 1765-1766, 1782 St John's, Cambridge Earl of Chatham 1766-1768 Trinity, Oxford Duke of Grafton 1768-1770 Peterhouse, Cambridge Lord North 1770-1782 Trinity, Oxford Earl of Shelburne 1782-1783 Christ Church, Oxford Duke of Portland 1783, 1807-1809 Christ Church, Oxford William Pitt 1783-1801, 1804-1806 Pembroke, Cambridge Henry Addington 1801-1804 Brasenose, Oxford Baron Grenville 1806-1807 Christ Church, Oxford Spencer Perceval 1809-1812 Trinity, Cambridge Earl of Liverpool 1812-1827 Christ Church, Oxford George Canning 1827 Christ Church, Oxford Viscount Goderich 1827-1828 St John's, Cambridge Earl Grey 1830-1834 Trinity, Cambridge Viscount Melbourne 1834 Trinity, Cambridge Robert Peel 1841-1846 Christ Church, Oxford Earl of Derby 1852, 1858-1859, 1866-1868 Christ Church, Oxford Earl of Aberdeen 1852-1855 St John's, Cambridge Viscount Palmerston 1855-1858, 1859-1865 St John's, Cambridge William Gladstone 1868-1874, 1880-1885, 1886, 1892-1894 Christ Church, Oxford Marquess of Salisbury 1885-1886, 1886-1892, 1895-1902 Christ Church, Oxford Earl of Rosebery 1894-1895 Christ Church, Oxford Arthur Balfour 1902-1905 Trinity, Cambridge Henry Campbell-Bannerman 1905-1908 Trinity, Cambridge Herbert Asquith 1908-1916 Balliol, Oxford Stanley Baldwin 1923-1924, 1924-1929, 1935-1937 Trinity, Cambridge Clement Atlee 1945-1951 University, Oxford Anthony Eden 1955-1957 Christ Church, Oxford Harold Macmillan 1957-1963 Balliol, Oxford Alec Douglas-Home 1963-1964 Christ Church, Oxford Harold Wilson 1964-1970, 1974-1976 Jesus, Oxford Edward Heath 1970-1974 Balliol, Oxford Margaret Thatcher 1979-1990 Somerville, Oxford Tony Blair 1997-2007 St John's, Oxford David Cameron 2010- Brasenose, Oxford 14 attended Cambridge (including 6 at Trinity), and 27 attended Oxford (including 14 at Christ Church). For more info on UK Prime Ministers, try Wikipedia. [ Source: http://www.blanchflower.org/alumni/pm.html ] List of Old Etonian Prime Ministers 19 UK Prime Ministers (including David Cameron) were educated at Eton as well as elsewhere. That's more than 1 in 3 in the history of the UK. Robert Walpole 1721-1742 John Stuart, 3rd Earl of Bute 1762–1763 George Grenville, 1763-65 William Pitt the Elder, 1st Earl of Chatham 1766-1768 Frederick North, 2nd Earl of Guildford 1770–1782 William Grenville 1806–1807 George Canning 1827 Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington 1828–1830 & 1834 Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey 1830–1834 William Lamb, 2nd Viscount Melbourne 1834 & 1835–1841 Edward Smith-Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby 1852, 1858–1859 & 1866–1868 William Gladstone 1868–1874, 1880–1885, 1886 & 1892–1894 Robert Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury 1885–1886, 1886–1892 & 1895–1902 Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery 1894–1895 Arthur Balfour, 1st Earl of Balfour 1902-1905 Anthony Eden 1955–1957 Harold Macmillan, 1st Earl of Stockton 1957–1963 Alec Douglas-Home 1963-1964 David Cameron 2010- [ Source: http://nickcleggsfault.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/list-of-old-etonian-prime-ministers.html ] It would be interesting to know how many UK Deputy Prime Ministers and Mayors of London as well as other high heads of Westminster (London) governments AND opposition party leaders have attended Oxford, Cambridge and Eton wouldn't it? Example: Nicholas William Peter "Nick" Clegg (born 7 January 1967) is a British politician who has been Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Lord President of the Council (with special responsibility for political and constitutional reform) since 2010. He attended the University of Cambridge. Edward Samuel Miliband (born 24 December 1969) is a British Labour Party politician, currently the Leader of the Labour Party and Leader of the Opposition. Born in London, Miliband graduated from Corpus Christi College, Oxford. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (born 19 June 1964) is a British Conservative Party politician, who has served as Mayor of London since 2008. He was educated at the European School in Brussels, at Ashdown House School and at Eton College, where he was a King's Scholar. And graduated from Oxford. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise! Do you believe that Westminster (London Rule) is best for Scotland? If you do, maybe you ought to Think Again! "London is one of the world's great cities" Kind of not surprising given the level of investment channeled into London and parts of South East England in the run up to the recently past Olympic Games, including the portions that were spun as Scottish "investment" : . £30 Billion subway upgrade program see - tinyurl.com/6sxrgv . £5.9 Billion on one London railway station see - tinyurl.com/6yheht . £16 Billion For another London rail line see - tinyurl.com/yphdwl . £1 Billion to upgrade an existing railway station see - tinyurl.com/5sn8mm . three quarters of a Billion on a Dome ! see - tinyurl.com/6h6ezn . Followed of course by yet another London regeneration project £5 Billion see tinyurl.com/5l3jp3 . £6 Billion Channel Tunnel Rail Link see - tinyurl.com/4pg53n . £2.5 Billion -Roads just around the Docklands in London see - tinyurl.com/55wh6b . £3.2 Billion For Another Tube line see - tinyurl.com/5qjoao . £1 Billion improvement to an existing Light Rail Line see - tinyurl.com/6q2424 . £20 Billion for a Second Thames flood barrier planned see - tinyurl.com/5uf79a . A £4 Billion greenhouse tower over Batersea power station see- tinyurl.com/6ac8hn . £9.3 Billion for the Channel Tunnel - see tinyurl.com/6s4vsb . £4.3 Billion for a 5th Heathrow Terminal see - tinyurl.com/2h5hx6 . £5 Billion Upgrade other London airport upgrades see - tinyurl.com/5oe82n . £10 Billion Plans for Heathrow link to Channel tunnel see - tinyurl.com/568dzq . £13 Billion for a third runway Heathrow runway see - tinyurl.com/3bgdtt . £9 Billion for Brown's plans to transform Thames Gateway see - tinyurl.com/4kr3pt . £18 Billion London Olympics ( including £350 + million stolen from the Scottish Lottery) see - tinyurl.com/olympicscam The recent London Olympics is just another example of Scotland and the rest of the UK building up the infrastructure of South East England and London, with Scotland and the rest of the UK told that the breadcrumbs that they receive is sufficient for them. 2% of the contracts that Scottish companies received is hardly even a breadcrumb - see - tinyurl.com/3jbu2d So just what benefit did Scotland receive from the London Olympics. From the official Economic Impact analysis of the London Olympics ( see tinyurl.com/6my6gp ) we have : "The implication of this is that for the rest of the UK (excluding London), London 2012 will have a negative impact on GDP of c.£4 billion caused by the displacement of resources and activities towards London." "A change in the number of businesses created is also forecast and implies a considerable negative impact to the rest of the UK ( excluding London ) resulting from business closures or displacement towards the London economy." "Again this implies a huge negative effect on jobs in the rest of the UK (excluding London)." And that report was before the massive and obscene cost over runs from the original estimate of £4 Billion to what escalated to well over £14 Billion see - tinyurl.com/6p43bv Additionally £350million+ was been taken from the Scottish lottery. see - tinyurl.com/6pyd43 On top of all that the "positive" impact we were told that would result from the games meant that it counted towards Scotlands expenditure in that years GER Report has and will do so in subsequent GERS reports !! As of course do our involuntary contributions to Trident, War costs, etc. see - tinyurl.com/6m9lsm Economically, Scotland has been treated with absolute disdain having to beg for breadcrumbs from the table of its London masters, recovering only a small portion of its "investment". Scotland needs to be rid of these parasites of the so-called UK as quickly as possible. The Truth about Scotland’s Oil: http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/the-truth-about-scotlands-oil/ Most of the oil is still in the ground! 'North Sea oil will last for 100 years': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2131258/North-Sea-oil-will-last-for-100-years.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 f**k off! Your the one saying borders don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How Scotland’s Economy went South: http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/how-scotlands-economy-went-south/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Irish home rule was put forward by Westminster. Are you really telling me that you think that not sending troops onto the streets of Scotland to suppress thoughts of Scottish Nationalism was a result of Irish Independance. I'm saying it was a mess in Ireland and Westminster made plenty of errors. Scotlands cry has been heard and respected. Maybe i'm wrong,but to me it suggests lessons were learnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 “How London is Bleeding Scotland Dry” http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/no-party-political-solution-to-the-failures-of-uk-plc/ Key Findings: Since 1963, UK GDP has on average grown by 2.5% a year, but only by 2% in Scotland. If Scotland’s growth had kept pace with the UK, its economy would be 25% larger today. Scotland has far more part-time and low-skill employment than London, suggesting a structural problem with the labour market. Weakening of UK export performance, balance of payments, & reliance on borrowing, disproportionately affects everywhere outside London. The UK has the largest wealth distribution gap of any European nation. For example France’s wealthiest region is almost double as wealthy as its poorest, but London is 470% wealthier than the UK’s poorest regions. Deindustrialisation and a poor balance of payments means that the UK can no longer be seen as a successful economic entity. Far from being Better Together the UK has a systematic weakness, in that the overblown population of London and the South East is sucking wealth, jobs and prosperity out of the rest of the country at an alarming and accelerating rate, and concludes that we would in fact be better off as an independent country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 List of UK Prime Ministers The following UK Prime Ministers attended university at either Oxford or Cambridge. Thus, of the 55 Prime Ministers to date, 41 studied at Oxbridge, That's very near 4 in 5. 11 did not go to university, and only 3, Earl Russell, Neville Chamberlain, and Gordon Brown, went to other universities (Edinburgh, Birmingham and Edinburgh respectively). PM PM dates College Robert Walpole 1721-1742 King's, Cambridge Earl of Wilmington 1742-1743 Trinity, Oxford Henry Pelham 1743-1746 Hart Hall, Oxford Earl of Bath 1746 Christ Church, Oxford Duke of Newcastle 1754-1756 Clare, Cambridge George Grenville 1763-1765 Christ Church, Oxford Marquess of Rockingham 1765-1766, 1782 St John's, Cambridge Earl of Chatham 1766-1768 Trinity, Oxford Duke of Grafton 1768-1770 Peterhouse, Cambridge Lord North 1770-1782 Trinity, Oxford Earl of Shelburne 1782-1783 Christ Church, Oxford Duke of Portland 1783, 1807-1809 Christ Church, Oxford William Pitt 1783-1801, 1804-1806 Pembroke, Cambridge Henry Addington 1801-1804 Brasenose, Oxford Baron Grenville 1806-1807 Christ Church, Oxford Spencer Perceval 1809-1812 Trinity, Cambridge Earl of Liverpool 1812-1827 Christ Church, Oxford George Canning 1827 Christ Church, Oxford Viscount Goderich 1827-1828 St John's, Cambridge Earl Grey 1830-1834 Trinity, Cambridge Viscount Melbourne 1834 Trinity, Cambridge Robert Peel 1841-1846 Christ Church, Oxford Earl of Derby 1852, 1858-1859, 1866-1868 Christ Church, Oxford Earl of Aberdeen 1852-1855 St John's, Cambridge Viscount Palmerston 1855-1858, 1859-1865 St John's, Cambridge William Gladstone 1868-1874, 1880-1885, 1886, 1892-1894 Christ Church, Oxford Marquess of Salisbury 1885-1886, 1886-1892, 1895-1902 Christ Church, Oxford Earl of Rosebery 1894-1895 Christ Church, Oxford Arthur Balfour 1902-1905 Trinity, Cambridge Henry Campbell-Bannerman 1905-1908 Trinity, Cambridge Herbert Asquith 1908-1916 Balliol, Oxford Stanley Baldwin 1923-1924, 1924-1929, 1935-1937 Trinity, Cambridge Clement Atlee 1945-1951 University, Oxford Anthony Eden 1955-1957 Christ Church, Oxford Harold Macmillan 1957-1963 Balliol, Oxford Alec Douglas-Home 1963-1964 Christ Church, Oxford Harold Wilson 1964-1970, 1974-1976 Jesus, Oxford Edward Heath 1970-1974 Balliol, Oxford Margaret Thatcher 1979-1990 Somerville, Oxford Tony Blair 1997-2007 St John's, Oxford David Cameron 2010- Brasenose, Oxford 14 attended Cambridge (including 6 at Trinity), and 27 attended Oxford (including 14 at Christ Church). For more info on UK Prime Ministers, try Wikipedia. [ Source: http://www.blanchflower.org/alumni/pm.html ] List of Old Etonian Prime Ministers 19 UK Prime Ministers (including David Cameron) were educated at Eton as well as elsewhere. That's more than 1 in 3 in the history of the UK. Robert Walpole 1721-1742 John Stuart, 3rd Earl of Bute 1762–1763 George Grenville, 1763-65 William Pitt the Elder, 1st Earl of Chatham 1766-1768 Frederick North, 2nd Earl of Guildford 1770–1782 William Grenville 1806–1807 George Canning 1827 Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington 1828–1830 & 1834 Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey 1830–1834 William Lamb, 2nd Viscount Melbourne 1834 & 1835–1841 Edward Smith-Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby 1852, 1858–1859 & 1866–1868 William Gladstone 1868–1874, 1880–1885, 1886 & 1892–1894 Robert Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury 1885–1886, 1886–1892 & 1895–1902 Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery 1894–1895 Arthur Balfour, 1st Earl of Balfour 1902-1905 Anthony Eden 1955–1957 Harold Macmillan, 1st Earl of Stockton 1957–1963 Alec Douglas-Home 1963-1964 David Cameron 2010- [ Source: http://nickcleggsfault.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/list-of-old-etonian-prime-ministers.html ] It would be interesting to know how many UK Deputy Prime Ministers and Mayors of London as well as other high heads of Westminster (London) governments AND opposition party leaders have attended Oxford, Cambridge and Eton wouldn't it? Example: Nicholas William Peter "Nick" Clegg (born 7 January 1967) is a British politician who has been Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Lord President of the Council (with special responsibility for political and constitutional reform) since 2010. He attended the University of Cambridge. Edward Samuel Miliband (born 24 December 1969) is a British Labour Party politician, currently the Leader of the Labour Party and Leader of the Opposition. Born in London, Miliband graduated from Corpus Christi College, Oxford. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (born 19 June 1964) is a British Conservative Party politician, who has served as Mayor of London since 2008. He was educated at the European School in Brussels, at Ashdown House School and at Eton College, where he was a King's Scholar. And graduated from Oxford. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise! Do you believe that Westminster (London Rule) is best for Scotland? If you do, maybe you ought to Think Again! "London is one of the world's great cities" Kind of not surprising given the level of investment channeled into London and parts of South East England in the run up to the recently past Olympic Games, including the portions that were spun as Scottish "investment" : . £30 Billion subway upgrade program see - tinyurl.com/6sxrgv . £5.9 Billion on one London railway station see - tinyurl.com/6yheht . £16 Billion For another London rail line see - tinyurl.com/yphdwl . £1 Billion to upgrade an existing railway station see - tinyurl.com/5sn8mm . three quarters of a Billion on a Dome ! see - tinyurl.com/6h6ezn . Followed of course by yet another London regeneration project £5 Billion see tinyurl.com/5l3jp3 . £6 Billion Channel Tunnel Rail Link see - tinyurl.com/4pg53n . £2.5 Billion -Roads just around the Docklands in London see - tinyurl.com/55wh6b . £3.2 Billion For Another Tube line see - tinyurl.com/5qjoao . £1 Billion improvement to an existing Light Rail Line see - tinyurl.com/6q2424 . £20 Billion for a Second Thames flood barrier planned see - tinyurl.com/5uf79a . A £4 Billion greenhouse tower over Batersea power station see- tinyurl.com/6ac8hn . £9.3 Billion for the Channel Tunnel - see tinyurl.com/6s4vsb . £4.3 Billion for a 5th Heathrow Terminal see - tinyurl.com/2h5hx6 . £5 Billion Upgrade other London airport upgrades see - tinyurl.com/5oe82n . £10 Billion Plans for Heathrow link to Channel tunnel see - tinyurl.com/568dzq . £13 Billion for a third runway Heathrow runway see - tinyurl.com/3bgdtt . £9 Billion for Brown's plans to transform Thames Gateway see - tinyurl.com/4kr3pt . £18 Billion London Olympics ( including £350 + million stolen from the Scottish Lottery) see - tinyurl.com/olympicscam The recent London Olympics is just another example of Scotland and the rest of the UK building up the infrastructure of South East England and London, with Scotland and the rest of the UK told that the breadcrumbs that they receive is sufficient for them. 2% of the contracts that Scottish companies received is hardly even a breadcrumb - see - tinyurl.com/3jbu2d So just what benefit did Scotland receive from the London Olympics. From the official Economic Impact analysis of the London Olympics ( see tinyurl.com/6my6gp ) we have : "The implication of this is that for the rest of the UK (excluding London), London 2012 will have a negative impact on GDP of c.£4 billion caused by the displacement of resources and activities towards London." "A change in the number of businesses created is also forecast and implies a considerable negative impact to the rest of the UK ( excluding London ) resulting from business closures or displacement towards the London economy." "Again this implies a huge negative effect on jobs in the rest of the UK (excluding London)." And that report was before the massive and obscene cost over runs from the original estimate of £4 Billion to what escalated to well over £14 Billion see - tinyurl.com/6p43bv Additionally £350million+ was been taken from the Scottish lottery. see - tinyurl.com/6pyd43 On top of all that the "positive" impact we were told that would result from the games meant that it counted towards Scotlands expenditure in that years GER Report has and will do so in subsequent GERS reports !! As of course do our involuntary contributions to Trident, War costs, etc. see - tinyurl.com/6m9lsm Economically, Scotland has been treated with absolute disdain having to beg for breadcrumbs from the table of its London masters, recovering only a small portion of its "investment". Scotland needs to be rid of these parasites of the so-called UK as quickly as possible. The Truth about Scotland’s Oil: http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/the-truth-about-scotlands-oil/ Most of the oil is still in the ground! 'North Sea oil will last for 100 years': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2131258/North-Sea-oil-will-last-for-100-years.html I still think Scotland should remain in the Union. As I said,i hope the more fair minded Britains can do something about these "Eaton" boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The economic and political system of governance in the UK has failed. Scotland has been held back economically and socially for decades, and the requirement to create policies that gain votes in the overblown population centres of London and the South East means that all political solutions from the Westminster parties are focussed on repeating the same mistakes that created the global banking crises in the first place. Mistakes which will also prove to be against the interests of the South East of England in the long-term too, even if they serve short-term political gain for Westminster parties trying to win elections every few years. The Jimmy Reid Foundation report is important and provides decades of data that proves conclusively that Westminster doesn’t work in Scotland’s interests, it can’t because of how our political system of Westminster rules all is structured. The Westminster political parties try to tell us that voting for them can change things, but the system means if they follow policies that would redistribute wealth from London and the South East they would lose, and it now looks like we could probably end up with a Tory / UKIP Government with possibly not one single elected member in Scotland. There is no political solution to the failure of the Union and just as there is no business and economic case for voting No in 2014. If you want your politicians to make a difference to Scotland’s economy or to our social infrastructure, then first get rid of the failed system of Governance that restricts them from doing so, by voting Yes. http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/no-party-political-solution-to-the-failures-of-uk-plc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bojangles Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Canadians most certainly do not look back on the red coats with pride. There's a general unease about what was done amongst the vast majority of the population in order to forge our true North strong and free. There is no wistfulness that I've ever encountered about the days before we were granted independence. Don't get me wrong, Canadians are fiercely patriotic and and mostly proud to call themselves Canadian. But they don't sit and thank the heavens that the red coats were purging the land of the First Nation peoples for allowing the nation to thrive today. They're too busy being proud of what they do today and plan what they're going to do in the future. Stop thinking in the past. It worked in the first 230ish years, but the Union's day is most definitely done. The world has no place for cobbled together superstates. In business terms many multinationals compete within themselves to foster smallness despite the size of the company because it allows greater flexibility and reactivity to shocks. That's why smaller nations are recovering better than the likes of the UK and USA. And XBL. Don't worry. I'm planning on bringing up Road to Referendum as soon as they think it's died out. I will just say that I was so pleased to see Donald Findlay on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Just for the sake of discussion,in the hope something could be done about the Eaton mob.... Do you think somekind of new party, one that as yet does not exist,could be formed that existed to protest about the "Eaton Boy" rule and the corrupt unfair ruling mobs. A group that represented the Scottish,Welsh,English and Northern Irish who demanded real change within the Union.A group that represented all of people,not justeg black dressed Anarchists (not that I've anything against them at all!). Mass protest,strikes etc. Maybe a dream,but there are signs around the world something like that could happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Canadians most certainly do not look back on the red coats with pride. There's a general unease about what was done amongst the vast majority of the population in order to forge our true North strong and free. There is no wistfulness that I've ever encountered about the days before we were granted independence. Don't get me wrong, Canadians are fiercely patriotic and and mostly proud to call themselves Canadian. But they don't sit and thank the heavens that the red coats were purging the land of the First Nation peoples for allowing the nation to thrive today. They're too busy being proud of what they do today and plan what they're going to do in the future. Stop thinking in the past. It worked in the first 230ish years, but the Union's day is most definitely done. The world has no place for cobbled together superstates. In business terms many multinationals compete within themselves to foster smallness despite the size of the company because it allows greater flexibility and reactivity to shocks. That's why smaller nations are recovering better than the likes of the UK and USA. And XBL. Don't worry. I'm planning on bringing up Road to Referendum as soon as they think it's died out. I will just say that I was so pleased to see Donald Findlay on it. I think the "Two Year War" ,when the US declared war on GB and invaded what was then "British North West Territories" is considered my many as the birth of Canada.My understanding is the combination of 'Canadian' farmers,Mohican Indianns and Red coats fought off the US invaders. The Canadians are proud of this. They may not be proud of doing the dirty on the Indians (likewise the Yanks and British!) ,but they stopped the US forging their way from Mexico area to the north pole! Canadians are still a Monarchy nation I believe. As I said,Canada is thousands of miles from the UK,Scotland and England are joined,by land and 300 years of real intergration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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