Gaz Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Fuel expert? Evidence or your post about an alleged myth is just exactly that, a myth.Think about it for a second. For there to be a difference in quality between supermarket fuel and garage fuel there would have to be two end points to the refining process. One which adds the additives that people claim is in garage fuel, and one which doesn't for supermarket fuel. This just doesn't happen. Tankers are filled from the same point on the refinery, and driven to various garages, including supermarkets. There is no difference whatsoever between standard fuel from a supermarket or from somewhere like Esso. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Phoenix Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Fuel expert? Nope, he's just applying common sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 So aye. I think I've decided what kind of car I'm after. However it's likely that I'll probably need to commit to buy it 'unseen', get the train down to somewhere in England and drive it home. Never done this before. The car we're going to go for is just a newer, more economical version of our current car, so I know what it's like to drive and I'm happy enough with that. I plan on paying for the car with my credit card then immediately using our savings to pay it off - so I'm protected under the Consumer Credit Act. Anyone with experience of doing anything similar, buying a car without seeing it first? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 So aye. I think I've decided what kind of car I'm after. However it's likely that I'll probably need to commit to buy it 'unseen', get the train down to somewhere in England and drive it home. Never done this before. The car we're going to go for is just a newer, more economical version of our current car, so I know what it's like to drive and I'm happy enough with that. I plan on paying for the car with my credit card then immediately using our savings to pay it off - so I'm protected under the Consumer Credit Act. Anyone with experience of doing anything similar, buying a car without seeing it first? My sister bought a car from a garage in Halifax unseen. It only had 5000 miles on the clock and its only previous owner had been a little old lady. She drove it home and a few days later it developed a couple of problems. She took it too a local garage for a check up and the discovered it had been in a major accident perviously and had been patched up to a horrendous standard and was not roadworthy. Several furious phone calls later and they got her a brand spanking new car, probably to 'silence' her because she could presumably have taken them for quite a bit of cash had she gone down the legal road. This is obviously a very, very unlikely to happen to you but it's the only time I know of someone having bought a car unseen! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Think about it for a second. For there to be a difference in quality between supermarket fuel and garage fuel there would have to be two end points to the refining process. One which adds the additives that people claim is in garage fuel, and one which doesn't for supermarket fuel. This just doesn't happen. Tankers are filled from the same point on the refinery, and driven to various garages, including supermarkets. There is no difference whatsoever between standard fuel from a supermarket or from somewhere like Esso. Additives wouldn't need to be added as part of the refining process. They can be introduced at any point up to when it flows through the nozzle of the filling station pumps (or in the case of old lead replacement additives, after you've filled your tank!). Certainly my understanding of branded specialist high octane fuel is that the additives put in by Shell, BP etc. are specific to them, are post refinery and account for noticeable differences in the octane rating from anything between 97 and 99%. It's unlikely that conventional supermarket fuels are substantially different from their fuel specialist competitors, but it's definitely possible that they use slightly different post refinery additives. It's more likely to have an effect on the shelf-life of the engine, though, rather than fuel economy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 BP Ultimate fuel is defo better than supermarket fuel. It has a higher octane & cetane rating and I think it makes your engine run smoother with better acceleration. Does cost a little more though than regular stuff. Worth it I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guns Show Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The 'all fuels are just the same myth' is spread by those who can't afford to buy the expensive stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I used to put shell v-power diesel in the works van I never noticed any improvement in performance but the road transport department noticed that my van was costing between £6 and £7 more to fill than anybody else's. They didn't think the potential economical benefits merited the extra spend and banned me from being so extravagant with their fuel card. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flogelsleftpeg Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I'm going to be looking at changing one of our cars later on this year. Possibly a Kia Ceed - economical Diesel engine, estate car, decent price. Anyone had one? Im driving a Kia Carenz as a rental car whilst working down south mate and its a diesel, its excellent comfortable and fuel efficient. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 http://www.bp.com/retail/ultimatearticlesection.do?categoryId=9036619&contentId=7067699 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsd Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) http://www.bp.com/retail/ultimatearticlesection.do?categoryId=9036619&contentId=7067699 What is noticeable is that there are no figures in that article to suggest how much of an improvement you are getting. Whatever benefits there are must be small otherwise I'm sure BP would be quoting figures albeit approximate ones. I ran an Alfa V6 3.2 engine for 7 years using only standard RON 95 bought mostly (I would guess high 90%) from Tesco. Never had any performance issues or problems with the engine. I know some high spec engines are recommended to run RON 98 but unless it says in your handbook I don't see the point in overspending for a higher spec fuel if you don't need it. Let's face it how many more hp do you think you'll get from it? Obviously this is just my experience. It might work for others. Just bought a brand new car and I'll be sticking to the standard stuff again mostly from Tesco. Edited January 8, 2014 by bsd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Let's be clear on this. I fully agree that there will be differences between premium fuel and standard fuel. There's no difference in standard garage fuel and supermarket fuel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallo_Madrid Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Just bought the Seat Ibiza Toca. Pick it up Thursday. They're doing a cracking deal if you have a £2500-3000 deposit available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Think about it for a second. For there to be a difference in quality between supermarket fuel and garage fuel there would have to be two end points to the refining process. One which adds the additives that people claim is in garage fuel, and one which doesn't for supermarket fuel. This just doesn't happen. Tankers are filled from the same point on the refinery, and driven to various garages, including supermarkets. There is no difference whatsoever between standard fuel from a supermarket or from somewhere like Esso. That's what I was told that by a tanker driver years ago 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSkeleton Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I decided to get rid of the car a couple weeks ago. Catalytic coverter is nackered as well as another couple things so don't fancy putting it through its MOT (now overdue). Does anyone know of anywhere I could sell the car? Bearing in mind I don't intend using it as PX for anything else and I can't drive it to a scrappy with it not havng an MOT and my insurance having expired. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallo_Madrid Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) I decided to get rid of the car a couple weeks ago. Catalytic coverter is nackered as well as another couple things so don't fancy putting it through its MOT (now overdue). Does anyone know of anywhere I could sell the car? Bearing in mind I don't intend using it as PX for anything else and I can't drive it to a scrappy with it not havng an MOT and my insurance having expired. If you want to scrap it try www.cartakeback.com They'll quote you instantly & they'll also collect your car. My cars getting picked up on Friday to scrap although the above lot quoted me £150 for mine. A local company in Dumfries have since offered £175 so i'll be going with them. Most will collect I'd imagine. Edited January 13, 2014 by Cyber_soccer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSkeleton Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 If you want to scrap it try www.cartakeback.com They'll quote you instantly & they'll also collect your car. My cars getting picked up on Friday to scrap although the above lot quoted me £150 for mine. A local company in Dumfries have since offered £175 so i'll be going with them. Most will collect I'd imagine. Cheers, that's the kind of thing I was looking for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Places like that usually offer you less than originally quoted when they see the car in person. Most folk will accept being offered a fair bit less for the convenience of still having the car taken away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Cheers, that's the kind of thing I was looking for.My father in law has used car take back twice and they are good to deal with,however they pay you by cheque so don't expect cash notes on the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSkeleton Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Places like that usually offer you less than originally quoted when they see the car in person. Most folk will accept being offered a fair bit less for the convenience of still having the car taken away. I'd heard that about webuyanycar.com and similar sites so was expecting as much. My father in law has used car take back twice and they are good to deal with,however they pay you by cheque so don't expect cash notes on the day. Better than having the car sitting there dormant, I'd take gingies. Cheers guys! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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