H_B Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Oh what a tease, for a minute there I thought you were going to provide me with something interesting. I should have known better. Don't worry. I have lower expectations of you - I never expected you to provide evidence, just a random claim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 So cleggy dave and ed are on there way up,makes you wonder about what the private polls are saying 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 So cleggy dave and ed are on there way up,makes you wonder about what the private polls are saying Probably playing Rock Paper Scissors to decide which one of them takes the bullet that lets them call the referendum off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 LAHDDS? Please.... Lads? Anyone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Surely time for Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle to start a "North Independence Party". If for nothing more than it is the only way the establishment will take you seriously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Been in Germany for the last 4 days, shortened version of what's happened on here anyone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Been in Germany for the last 4 days, shortened version of what's happened on here anyone? The two traditionally No friendly pollsters started showing a dead heat between yes and No, Westminster, the BBC and Better together went into full panic meltdown mode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Yes have drawn level in the polls, possibly slightly leading, and the no campaign have shat the bed. There's saltires fucking everywhere now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Been in Germany for the last 4 days, shortened version of what's happened on here anyone? Good poll. Tears everywhere. Old nawbags disappear, New nawbags appear. They talk shite. Everyone lols. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 The two traditionally No friendly pollsters started showing a dead heat between yes and No, Westminster, the BBC and Better together went into full panic meltdown mode. Whereas the traditonally friendly Yes pollster was pretty much unchanged with No still leading. You couldn't make it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I love when the media keep saying, "Let's remember this is just one poll". Well someone tell Westminster that because their reaction seems completely incompatable with this idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Whereas the traditonally friendly Yes pollster was pretty much unchanged with No still leading. You couldn't make it up. You could probably, It doesn't take that much imagination. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 You could probably, It doesn't take that much imagination. You must admit it has been amusing to see Panelbase go from good guys to wanks and You Gov from untrustworthy chancers to important bellwealther in the space of a couple of weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 You must admit it has been amusing to see Panelbase go from good guys to wanks and You Gov from untrustworthy chancers to important bellwealther in the space of a couple of weeks. Hasn't it just? I've enjoyed it immensely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 You must admit it has been amusing to see Panelbase go from good guys to wanks and You Gov from untrustworthy chancers to important bellwealther in the space of a couple of weeks. Fact is that had TNS backed up Panelbase, the levels of panic (or engagement with the issue, if you like) probably wouldn't have been so acute. I think YouGov have issues, and I maintain that. I posted some pages back on why I thought PB were largely invariant to changes in Yes support levels while YouGov might be over sensitive. Then TNS came out and sided with YG. We've probably got Survation tomorrow night, and it's been more variable than PB (though not as much as ICM) so that will give us a further idea of what is going on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) I'm in the 55+ group. Sadly I think this is the age group most easily frightened by the threats and unable/unwilling to look beyond the obvious. For example many in this age group will see the short-term impact on the exchange rate as something to be worried about and it will make their opinions all the more entrenched. In general I think the older you get the less willing you are to change views without having a really good reason to do so. I also think that a case could be made that younger voters are more inclined/willing to change their views because they perhaps have not had the life experience to be as cynical about the world as their elders. Edited September 9, 2014 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Been in Germany for the last 4 days, shortened version of what's happened on here anyone? we have all united becuase we have sent the last 4 days talking about you . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Fact is that had TNS backed up Panelbase, the levels of panic (or engagement with the issue, if you like) probably wouldn't have been so acute. I think YouGov have issues, and I maintain that. I posted some pages back on why I thought PB were largely invariant to changes in Yes support levels while YouGov might be over sensitive. Then TNS came out and sided with YG. We've probably got Survation tomorrow night, and it's been more variable than PB (though not as much as ICM) so that will give us a further idea of what is going on. TNS still showing large numbers of Don't Knows/Did Not Answer though - I don't know how significant that is. Are they genuinely don't know, or people just refusing to say which way they'll vote, or just not voting? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) bellwealther Would that be a bell that rings when it gets windy? Or a bell that is worth money? Edited September 9, 2014 by Casual Bystander 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 TNS still showing large numbers of Don't Knows/Did Not Answer though - I don't know how significant that is. Are they genuinely don't know, or people just refusing to say which way they'll vote, or just not voting? TNS are face to face. As a general rule, face to face canvassing and polling (look back at the RIC cnavass results, for example) show much larger numbers of DKs, I think people feel more uncomfortable in answering questions to an actual human being, whereas online polls both offer a larger degree of anonymity, while self selecting from politically engaged people who are probably less shy about answering questions anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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