I'm Brian Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Surprised Lex of all people, resurrected this particular thread, given his epic fail in it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 With the over 60s the only group overwhelmingly No... Tick tock You're only looking at it from age demographic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 You're only looking at it from age demographic. Agreed. Incomers, over 60 should be deported. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Agreed. Incomers, over 60 should be deported. According to polls the single biggest NO demographic was voters resident in Scotland but born elsewhere in the UK regardless of age. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 According to polls the single biggest NO demographic was voters resident in Scotland but born elsewhere in the UK regardless of age. Better safe than sorry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) According to polls the single biggest NO demographic was voters resident in Scotland but born elsewhere in the UK regardless of age. This has already been dealt with: http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/221839-the-independence-referendum-voting-behaviour-study/ There is absolutely no doubt that age was a hugely significant factor in voting behaviour in the referendum, and overall support for independence. Therefore, looking at the issue primarily from an age perspective is entirely valid. No amount of hand-wringing is going to change those facts. Edited May 24, 2015 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Agree with John Curtice that they will wait until support seems to be at 60% before a second vote is called. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 So we rejected it, the figures are basically the same 8 months on... But it's a certainty anyway? In my lifetime, the indy vote was 25-30% max. In the last two years it's come to almost 50%. I'd say the momentum is ours. Especially with Labour continuing to meltdown, the LibDems stooping even lower than before and the Tories as toxic as ever with a vacuous posho in charge who all the Europeans laugh at and who even the Daily Mail hates. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I'm struggling to imagine any scenario where the demand for Independence will reduce whereas I can foresee situations where the demand for Independence will increase. We also have to bear in mind that it's like a marginal seat in an election, all we need to do is win over a relatively small percentage to achieve a YES result next time around. I've seen very little post-referendum analysis but we need to concentrate on those who voted NO but could have been persuaded to vote YES and try to understand the key issues for them. Personally I think the currency issue created uncertainty but my evidence for that is purely anecdotal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The economic case looked as if it was written on the back of a fag packet. There was no guarantees over currency, EU membership, NATO etc, only very reasonable assumptions, folk like to have things cast in stone. Next time? Our own currency please and I think the EU may slip out a wee 'yes we would have had you in a heart beat' when it looks like the UK is going to leave. NATO is an organisation without a war to fight, it will be beginning to go by the time the next one comes up in about 10 years time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Without FFA, and a subsequent period of Scotland doing well economically, Scotland won't be independent. It won't reach the better off, older people that the yes campaign completely ignored. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Agreed. What the referendum did was 'normalise the idea' of independence, what we now need is a shot of the financial reigns to prove we are capable of standing on our own two feet. I've always said it was a matter of confidence, and it is as clear as the nose on our faces, we are not ready for it yet. But we are getting used to the idea..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Clicked on this thread, went to the last unread post BOOM! http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/297729-stv-poll-labour-would-annihilated-if-general-election-held-tomorrow/ Sensational. I might just kill myself if that happens. I reckon theyll get around a dozen. oof 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It would be fantastic to see Labour annihilated, it won't happen though. As soon as the campaign kicks in they will start to pull away in Scotland and they will win the most seats comfortably. Popular vote figure will be interesting though, SNP could win that. Oh, Lex. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It's one poll. Taken not long after the referendum. And at a time where Scottish Labour are in, even by their low standards, a shambolic state. Before the election there will be a change of focus away from secession as an issue and more towards the business of electing a new government for the country. Oh, H_B. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Id reckon 10-12 if the SNP are still polling in the mid 40s. If they aren't then they will get the usual handful. Oh, Reynard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It's a big assumption that YES voters can never become NO voters and the over 60s etc just drop off and that's YES home and dry.Peoples opinions can change particularly if they accumulate a few bawbees along the way and get a bit risk averse. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It's a big assumption that YES voters can never become NO voters and the over 60s etc just drop off and that's YES home and dry.Peoples opinions can change particularly if they accumulate a few bawbees along the way and get a bit risk averse. That's a fair point. Cumulatively I think the demand for Indepence will grow rather than recede however there will be individuals whose position may change as they grow older. I can't see it being sufficient to stem the eventual success of a YES vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It's a big assumption that YES voters can never become NO voters and the over 60s etc just drop off and that's YES home and dry.Peoples opinions can change particularly if they accumulate a few bawbees along the way and get a bit risk averse. A big assumption - or straw man - that you set up for yourself there, and was not actually the claim made by any other post on this thread. It is however absolutely clear that the next generational shift will favour the independence movement over that of the Britnats, and even you don't dare to deny it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It's a big assumption that YES voters can never become NO voters and the over 60s etc just drop off and that's YES home and dry.Peoples opinions can change particularly if they accumulate a few bawbees along the way and get a bit risk averse. Whit? Have baby boomers now been granted Immortality? They truly are the have it all generation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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