The New Stadiums Thread

[FuzzyBear]

13 hours ago, thekorean said:

Allianz Field, home of Minnesota United in 2019.

 

Looks good and slightly better legroom than at Rugby Park.

[thisal]

16 hours ago, thekorean said:

Allianz Field, home of Minnesota United in 2019.

 

It looks good, but, I don't think that roof would offer much protection from Scottish weather.

[Homer Thompson]

On 13/12/2018 at 14:20, Ross. said:

I think the "Safe standing" thing is a political label rather than meant as any kind of serious description. Given absolutely everything in top level football in the UK that is remotely related to crowd issues is framed with what happened at Hillsborough, it's a fairly obvious way to name it.

Rail seating is the way ahead for me, fwiw. Aside from letting folk who want to stand, stand without worrying about tripping over or battering their knees or shins on the seat in front, it means all the old c***s can take a seat and everyone is happy. If anything, it is probably safer than existing all seater designs, where people stand anyway. The fact there is even discussion on the issue is the ridiculous thing.

If you're talking about mixed sitting and standing then thats just wrong. If I chose to sit down, I can only do that if the person in front is sat down too. Thats the problem at all seater stadiums, not that everyone wants to stand but that as soon as someone down the front stands, the person behind them has to as well.

[Ross.]

5 minutes ago, Mr X said:

If you're talking about mixed sitting and standing then thats just wrong. If I chose to sit down, I can only do that if the person in front is sat down too. Thats the problem at all seater stadiums, not that everyone wants to stand but that as soon as someone down the front stands, the person behind them has to as well.

I was thinking more practically. Anyone who wants to stand can do so in the rail seating area. Anyone who wants to sit can sit in the seats elsewhere. Seems to work well enough over here. Most of the new stadiums here have a mix of both in the away end. Depending on how I'm feeling I go for one or the other with little to no issue.

[Homer Thompson]

2 minutes ago, Ross. said:

I was thinking more practically. Anyone who wants to stand can do so in the rail seating area. Anyone who wants to sit can sit in the seats elsewhere. Seems to work well enough over here. Most of the new stadiums here have a mix of both in the away end. Depending on how I'm feeling I go for one or the other with little to no issue.

Fair enough, I misunderstood what you meant

[thekorean]

10 hours ago, thisal said:

It looks good, but, I don't think that roof would offer much protection from Scottish weather.

Maybe but MLS season is mostly during summer. 

 

If Minnesota is in the playoffs it could be an issue but Minnesota is as cold, if not colder than Scotland in the winter time.

[sjc]

In order for Clubs to feel that "safe standing" is worthwhile, then the "removable seating" option as opposed to the "fixed seating" would be preferable as they could offer an increased capacity albeit at a reduced ticket price instead of expecting the same number of fans pay the same price to stand instead of sit.

This makes no commercial sense, particularly in Scotland where the majority of Clubs have limited funds to play with.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

In order for Clubs to feel that "safe standing" is worthwhile, then the "removable seating" option as opposed to the "fixed seating" would be preferable as they could offer an increased capacity albeit at a reduced ticket price instead of expecting the same number of fans pay the same price to stand instead of sit.
This makes no commercial sense, particularly in Scotland where the majority of Clubs have limited funds to play with.

For most Scottish clubs capacity isn’t a serious issue.

The real question is whether people will pay to stand at matches that they wouldn’t pay to sit at

And maybe they would

[sjc]

3 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

 

For most Scottish clubs capacity isn’t a serious issue.

The real question is whether people will pay to stand at matches that they wouldn’t pay to sit at

And maybe they would

 

You've missed the point I was making mate. Why would Clubs install the "safe standing" that equates to the same capacity as seats available as opposed to the removable rail seating that can fit an extra person for every 2-3 seats?

i.e : 

1000 seat capacity @ £25 per seat or 1000 standing capacity @ £15 per person (surely they couldn't justify charging the same for standing?!)

Versus the removable rail seating to allow extra standing spectators:

1000 seat capacity @ £25 per seat or 1500-2000 standing capacity @ £15 per person.

I agree that capacity isn't really an issue in Scotland but the above affects on revenue would be a major factor.

Which is probably why very few Clubs in Scotland will install "safe standing" imo.

 

 

 

[eez-eh]

6 hours ago, sjc said:

You've missed the point I was making mate. Why would Clubs install the "safe standing" that equates to the same capacity as seats available as opposed to the removable rail seating that can fit an extra person for every 2-3 seats?

i.e : 

1000 seat capacity @ £25 per seat or 1000 standing capacity @ £15 per person (surely they couldn't justify charging the same for standing?!)

Versus the removable rail seating to allow extra standing spectators:

1000 seat capacity @ £25 per seat or 1500-2000 standing capacity @ £15 per person.

I agree that capacity isn't really an issue in Scotland but the above affects on revenue would be a major factor.

Which is probably why very few Clubs in Scotland will install "safe standing" imo.

Pretty sure they could and they would. Ayr don’t charge differently depending what “stand” you’re in and as far as I’m aware neither do most clubs in the lower leagues that have a mix of terracing and seats.

[sjc]

6 hours ago, eez-eh said:

Pretty sure they could and they would. Ayr don’t charge differently depending what “stand” you’re in and as far as I’m aware neither do most clubs in the lower leagues that have a mix of terracing and seats.

Really? They charge the same for sitting in a stand in line with the centre circle as standing behind one of the goals?

If this is true then it's no wonder that the game is as badly administered as it is. Football fans are clearly morons!

[Homer Thompson]

4 minutes ago, sjc said:

Really? They charge the same for sitting in a stand in line with the centre circle as standing behind one of the goals?

If this is true then it's no wonder that the game is as badly administered as it is. Football fans are clearly morons!

Queens charge the same price no matter where in the ground you go. If they were to charge different prices the admin costs would increase as would the stewarding, as there would need to be  people, and possibly physical measures, in place to be able to stop people moving between different areas of the ground.

[sjc]

3 hours ago, Mr X said:

Queens charge the same price no matter where in the ground you go. If they were to charge different prices the admin costs would increase as would the stewarding, as there would need to be  people, and possibly physical measures, in place to be able to stop people moving between different areas of the ground.

I take it that you can head off to the main stand for a covered seat during the game if it starts pissing with rain?

[thekorean]

External look of Allianz Field. It’s not coincidence it looks similar to Allianz Arena.

[Homer Thompson]

I take it that you can head off to the main stand for a covered seat during the game if it starts pissing with rain?

At the moment, yes. Although the terrace is covered so it's pretty unusual for their not to be enough room there.

[Ross.]

11 hours ago, eez-eh said:

Pretty sure they could and they would. Ayr don’t charge differently depending what “stand” you’re in and as far as I’m aware neither do most clubs in the lower leagues that have a mix of terracing and seats.

Surprised at that. Going to watch Aarau in the 2nd league here I pay 21CHF for the terraces but if I want a seat in the main stand it’s around 3 times the price.

[8MileBU]

External look of Allianz Field. It’s not coincidence it looks similar to Allianz Arena.

Puts the Parkhead disco lights to shame.

[eez-eh]

20 hours ago, sjc said:

Really? They charge the same for sitting in a stand in line with the centre circle as standing behind one of the goals?

If this is true then it's no wonder that the game is as badly administered as it is. Football fans are clearly morons!

Yes, it’s incredibly common throughout the lower leagues. I’d far rather stand at a game of football so it doesn’t bother me one bit that it costs the same to sit or stand. Fans are able to move around the ground as they see fit, it’s not like anyone’s penned into a specific stand/terrace.

[sjc]

16 minutes ago, eez-eh said:

Yes, it’s incredibly common throughout the lower leagues. I’d far rather stand at a game of football so it doesn’t bother me one bit that it costs the same to sit or stand. Fans are able to move around the ground as they see fit, it’s not like anyone’s penned into a specific stand/terrace.

If you'd be happy paying £25+ to stand behind the goals at an SPFL Premiership match when you could sit in line with half way line for the same price then more power to you but I'd suggest you're getting ripped off.

FWIW I think £25 to sit at a Premiership match is overpriced as it is let alone to stand.

ETA : The above reply is me hypothesising of how your experience in the lower leagues might relate in the top flight.

 

Edited December 21, 2018 by sjc

[eez-eh]

53 minutes ago, sjc said:

If you'd be happy paying £25+ to stand behind the goals at an SPFL Premiership match when you could sit in line with half way line for the same price then more power to you but I'd suggest you're getting ripped off.

FWIW I think £25 to sit at a Premiership match is overpriced as it is let alone to stand.

ETA : The above reply is me hypothesising of how your experience in the lower leagues might relate in the top flight.

 

It’s a bit different when you’re penned into one stand. Tonnes of grounds in the lower leagues have a flat entry charge and anyone is free to sit/stand wherever the f**k they want, not really sure what the issue with that is.

The problem with ticket prices is how expensive they are in general, can’t say not having a difference between seating and standing really bothers me.