Rab B Nesbit Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Everrthing about safe standing is framed in relation to the EPL. No surprise that they have to do something about the "optics" of it given that the entire league is built.on appearances. What would the Falkirk fans get up to if you were allowed to stand Bairny ... ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 What would the Falkirk fans get up to if you were allowed to stand Bairny ... ? Have you ever tried launching mock body parts sitting down? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 12 minutes ago, Rab B Nesbit said: What would the Falkirk fans get up to if you were allowed to stand Bairny ... ? Have you ever tried launching mock body parts sitting down? No I’ve not ... tough ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I don't have a huge issue with "safe standing" in this case as it's clearly designed so that the seats can be brought back for European games (and I guess they could be a neutral venue for Internationals as the Emirates et al have been, or part of a World Cup bid) where there is still an all seated rule. It could probably just be called removable seating or something to stop annoying people who don't like the term I guess. Where the term "safe standing" is totally inappropriate is when folk talking about developing or building new grounds in Scotland where their club is unlikely to need 10,000 odd seats (ourselves, Falkirk, etc). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 It's the current trend of using safe/safety to try and quell any dissent at source when trying to hide the real reason of the purpose. The actual name of rail seating is just fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 The only safety advantage seating has over standing is that everyone has an allocated place, so overcrowding is much less likely to ever happen unless there is widespread disregard for the allocations (as in parts of Hampden recently for Scotland v Poland). Even at Hillsborough, even with all the other f**k ups that caused the disaster, if the tickets for the Leppings Lane end had specified which of the five pens the ticket was for, and there was clear signage from the turnstiles, it's very unlikely the crush would have happened. Or, better still, there hadn't been any pens and the crowd could just disperse sideways, or over the front wall in an emergency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 It's the current trend of using safe/safety to try and quell any dissent at source when trying to hide the real reason of the purpose. The actual name of rail seating is just fine. “rail seating” is an even more problematic name Can it be “seating” when you can’t sit on it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 minute ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: “rail seating” is an even more problematic name Can it be “seating” if you can’t sit on it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 47 minutes ago, GordonS said: The only safety advantage seating has over standing is that everyone has an allocated place, so overcrowding is much less likely to ever happen unless there is widespread disregard for the allocations (as in parts of Hampden recently for Scotland v Poland). Even at Hillsborough, even with all the other f**k ups that caused the disaster, if the tickets for the Leppings Lane end had specified which of the five pens the ticket was for, and there was clear signage from the turnstiles, it's very unlikely the crush would have happened. Or, better still, there hadn't been any pens and the crowd could just disperse sideways, or over the front wall in an emergency. Hillsborough is of course the thing that folk think is stopping terracing coming back for many clubs and something a lot of people stupidly bring up as an argument against it. Terracing had nothing to do with it though. The fact that folk could stand at the football killed no one. It never has. Overcrowding caused by shit policing, shit design and draconian shite like fences caused the deaths. Like I said before, you wouldn't try and cram 5000 folk in to a stand that held 2000. The change to all seater was a government driven thing that greedy money guys in football jumped on and used to drive prices up and rip fans off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Hillsborough is of course the thing that folk think is stopping terracing coming back for many clubs and something a lot of people stupidly bring up as an argument against it. Terracing had nothing to do with it though. The fact that folk could stand at the football killed no one. It never has. Overcrowding caused by shit policing, shit design and draconian shite like fences caused the deaths. Like I said before, you wouldn't try and cram 5000 folk in to a stand that held 2000. The change to all seater was a government driven thing that greedy money guys in football jumped on and used to drive prices up and rip fans off. You do seem to be treating “Safe” as just meaning “Non fatal” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 What injuries occur as a direct result of standing on terracing? Hundreds of thousands of people do it every week without being maimed, or even suffering any injury at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, DA Baracus said: Hillsborough is of course the thing that folk think is stopping terracing coming back for many clubs and something a lot of people stupidly bring up as an argument against it. Terracing had nothing to do with it though. The fact that folk could stand at the football killed no one. It never has. Overcrowding caused by shit policing, shit design and draconian shite like fences caused the deaths. Like I said before, you wouldn't try and cram 5000 folk in to a stand that held 2000. The change to all seater was a government driven thing that greedy money guys in football jumped on and used to drive prices up and rip fans off. I don't think it's a surprise that such a shocking event as Hillsborough might provoke an overreaction in some aspects and I don't think it's fair to overly criticise those tasked with making sure it never happened in their ground or their league. British football grounds were well below acceptable safety levels and what followed greatly improved safety, as well as comfort. It's been a long time since I read about it in detail but I'm sure there were relatively frequent lower-leg injuries like sprained ankles in large, moving crowds. I remember getting shifted 5 yards when goals were scored, it's inevitable you'll get trips and bangs in that. The thing about standing isn't that it's inherently safer, it's that what goes along with it - allocated spaces, unique tickets, controlled density, controlled access to specific ares, no crowd motion - is safer. But IMO you can have all of the benefits through good design rather than seats. It's worth going back to the Taylor Report and reading what he said on standing (from page 12): https://web.archive.org/web/20140330053408/http://southyorks.police.uk/sites/default/files/hillsborough stadium disaster final report.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 The capacity at the London Stadium could be about to get bigger ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46545833 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 On 08/12/2018 at 21:07, DA Baracus said: Hillsborough is of course the thing that folk think is stopping terracing coming back for many clubs and something a lot of people stupidly bring up as an argument against it. Terracing had nothing to do with it though. The fact that folk could stand at the football killed no one. It never has. Overcrowding caused by shit policing, shit design and draconian shite like fences caused the deaths. Like I said before, you wouldn't try and cram 5000 folk in to a stand that held 2000. The change to all seater was a government driven thing that greedy money guys in football jumped on and used to drive prices up and rip fans off. Surely having one person per seat is an easier way to prevent overcrowding, than just letting folk pile into terracing until it's full? I find it a bit bizarre people get so worked up about them having seats available in standing areas, and when it gets called safe standing. The outrage all seems a bit millennial "everything is awful and forced upon us" type. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Outrage? Please point out where this happened. Same applies to your last sentence. Total nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 11:32, DA Baracus said: 'Safe standing' Why are folk not questioning this bullshit? I think the "Safe standing" thing is a political label rather than meant as any kind of serious description. Given absolutely everything in top level football in the UK that is remotely related to crowd issues is framed with what happened at Hillsborough, it's a fairly obvious way to name it. Rail seating is the way ahead for me, fwiw. Aside from letting folk who want to stand, stand without worrying about tripping over or battering their knees or shins on the seat in front, it means all the old c***s can take a seat and everyone is happy. If anything, it is probably safer than existing all seater designs, where people stand anyway. The fact there is even discussion on the issue is the ridiculous thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McQueen Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Not new but I liked this photo of the Azteca Stadium. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Lots of pictures of the new Tottenham stadium and it looks absolutely outstanding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The main stand roof going on at Brentford ... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Lots of pictures of the new Tottenham stadium and it looks absolutely outstanding. The pint filling machines at the bar are worth a look! Witchcraft. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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