Munoz Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Never a penalty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, Game of throw-ins said: Not what that photograph suggests. Bates has his hands forward and may even be touching the player but it's not a non-contract sport and there's no evidence he actually applied any force. His hands are nowhere near where they would need to be causing that arching of the back. The arching looks like it's caused by the player trying to reach the ball with his hand. More to the point, the referee was well placed to if there was a push and didn't see one. The decision was made by a linesman who was very badly placed to see any push. This also broke the well established principle that officials don't change their minds about penalties based on players' appeals. If you didn't see it when it happened you can't rely on what you thought you might have seen once a player has put new suggestions in your mind. The linesman was a credulous fool who started imagining he'd seen what he couldn't have seen based on pressure from cynical players. That the linesman hared into the stand as soon as the final whistle blew, skipping the normal end of match courtesies, and the referee apologised to Goodwin tells you all you need to know. This was as shockingly incompetent a piece of officiating as I've seen in Scottish football, and that's no small claim because standards are often abysmal. That was some bolt. You'd be forgiven for assuming he must be touching cloth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterAFC Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Am I the only one thinking we might see some Cormack craziness this week? Low level expected a "mutual consent" statement this evening (to be clear I don't want this) The Sportsound bit was tedious as f**k, "do you think if Milne was still chairman McInnes would be manager" The Considine thing was weird but feels more like an agent being a p***k than anything else as neither Goodwin nor Considine seem like the type. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, HunterAFC said: Am I the only one thinking we might see some Cormack craziness this week? Low level expected a "mutual consent" statement this evening (to be clear I don't want this) The Sportsound bit was tedious as f**k, "do you think if Milne was still chairman McInnes would be manager" The Considine thing was weird but feels more like an agent being a p***k than anything else as neither Goodwin nor Considine seem like the type. Mutual consent regarding who? Goodwin? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttocks Brown Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) On the Considine exit, I see parallels with the release of our captain Stephen McGinn at the end of Goodwin's first season: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/stephen-mcginn-st-mirren-exit-doesnt-sit-well-with-brother-john-mcginn-2877032 Huge presence in the dressing room and perhaps had the ear of the board (were rumours McGinn was feeding them information about Stubbs' deficiencies ahead of his sacking). My feeling was that Goodwin felt threatened at having someone on his staff with influence who could potentially undermine his authority. There's a definite alpha male thing going on. Likes having Lee Sharpe as an Assistant because Sharpe knows his place. Was no surprise a big character like Scott Brown left soon after Goodwin arrived and Considine looks like McGinn mark 2. Difference is McGinn left us quietly, at the height of Covid, whereas Considine's release... Goodwin has made a complete hash of it; if he really wanted the guy to remain at the club then it would have happened regardless of the "leak". Edited May 15, 2022 by Buttocks Brown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don exotic Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 51 minutes ago, HunterAFC said: The Considine thing was weird but feels more like an agent being a p***k than anything else as neither Goodwin nor Considine seem like the type. I don't like the contrast between how Considine has been treated, as a Don through and through, compared to Hernandez and Ramirez. They were both able to take the piss on their contracts. I'm not sure any of that bodes well for the future when we are aiming for wider recruitment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_Kahn Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, Buttocks Brown said: On the Considine exit, I see parallels with the release of our captain Stephen McGinn at the end of Goodwin's first season: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/stephen-mcginn-st-mirren-exit-doesnt-sit-well-with-brother-john-mcginn-2877032 Huge presence in the dressing room and perhaps had the ear of the board (were rumours McGinn was feeding them information about Stubbs' deficiencies ahead of his sacking). My feeling was that Goodwin felt threatened at having someone on his staff with influence who could potentially undermine his authority. There's a definite alpha male thing going on. Likes having Lee Sharpe as an Assistant because Sharpe knows his place. Was no surprise a big character like Scott Brown left soon after Goodwin arrived and Considine looks like McGinn mark 2. Difference is McGinn left us quietly, at the height of Covid, whereas Considine's release... Goodwin has made a complete hash of it; if he really wanted the guy to remain at the club then it would have happened regardless of the "leak". Interesting, but I don't really see it. Considine is a good guy to have around, but I wouldn't ever see him as a threat to a manager. Also, he was offered a contract in the first place to stay for another 12 months (at least). It would have been weird if Goodwin had kept Brown on TBH. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoveRangers1922 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, johnnydun said: Is Considine retiring or signing for some Championship club that will pay inflated wages for those in their twilight years? I'd like to see him pitch up at Balmoral but do I really see it happening, probably not. Would it be a risk, probably, and are we aging in that department already; arguably yes. If I were Reynolds, Logan, Fyvie and/or Mitch I'd have been trying to tempt him weeks ago. I don't really see him uprooting his life for a year or two down in Ayrshire. Dundee clubs would be an option but would he go there after 18 years as a Don? Edited May 15, 2022 by CoveRangers1922 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, CoveRangers1922 said: Dundee clubs would be an option but would he go there after 18 years as a Don? Absolutely he would, Aberdeen and Dundee have a long history of transfers between them. Plus we still have shagger McGinn for a season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoveRangers1922 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Just now, johnnydun said: Absolutely he would, Aberdeen and Dundee have a long history of transfers between them. Plus we still have shagger McGinn for a season. Yeah it's a well trodden path many have gone down but Andy Considine, who is Mr Banchory and a boyhood Dons fan. You'd think he's talked to all the suitors and a decision will likely be imminent. We'll find out soon. Intrigued to see where he ends up. If injury free, he'd be an asset to the club he goes to next undoubtedly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 It’s almost as if Aberdeen have been exonerated in their stance with Andy Considine. I love Andy as a player and would have been delighted for him to get another one year deal. But with his long injury lay off at his age, and the fact that he has had to come off in his first full match back, makes the club look sensible with their approach to his contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 17 minutes ago, kingjoey said: It’s almost as if Aberdeen have been exonerated in their stance with Andy Considine. I love Andy as a player and would have been delighted for him to get another one year deal. But with his long injury lay off at his age, and the fact that he has had to come off in his first full match back, makes the club look sensible with their approach to his contract. It's a new manager, with no loyalty towards him too. There's not much anyone could day to me to convince me it's not a sensible decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 It's definitely a logical move. It's easy to get too sentimental about veteran players. I was more than happy with Mcginn getting another deal last year but his performances this season almost immediately suggested it was a mistake and that he was done. Could very easily have been the same for Considine, although hearing Goodwin speak a while back it sounded like even if he did sign a deal Considine was going to be used sparingly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 It's a new manager, with no loyalty towards him too. There's not much anyone could day to me to convince me it's not a sensible decision.He’s the best centre half at the club, although that’s not saying much.Would’ve liked him to stay but if the manager doesn’t see him as a regular and doesn’t want to offer him a big contract then that’s his call to make. I just hope we have at least two replacements lined up who are significant upgrades on what we have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 I’ve no issue with a decision being taken on Andy. The way the club handled the press release was poor though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said: He’s the best centre half at the club Just now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now.And probably for most of the period since Russell Anderson retired. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 2 hours ago, lubo_blaha said: He’s the best centre half at the club, although that’s not saying much. Would’ve liked him to stay but if the manager doesn’t see him as a regular and doesn’t want to offer him a big contract then that’s his call to make. I just hope we have at least two replacements lined up who are significant upgrades on what we have. Exactly this. If he's letting considine go/retire without a fight and we go in to next season with Gallagher and Bates as the first choice CB pairing then he'll be out of a job very quickly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 15 hours ago, Don exotic said: I don't like the contrast between how Considine has been treated, as a Don through and through, compared to Hernandez and Ramirez. They were both able to take the piss on their contracts. I'm not sure any of that bodes well for the future when we are aiming for wider recruitment. I don't follow your point here at all. I can't see any comparison between the situations nor how it could possibly negatively impact recruitment, unless we're trying to recruit players who've already been with the club for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 2 hours ago, lubo_blaha said: He’s the best centre half at the club, although that’s not saying much. Would’ve liked him to stay but if the manager doesn’t see him as a regular and doesn’t want to offer him a big contract then that’s his call to make. I just hope we have at least two replacements lined up who are significant upgrades on what we have. He's 35, just returned from a major injury and broke down injured in his return game. He also wanted 2 years which would take him to 37 by the end of his contract, all on a decent wage. As much as I love and respect the guy, we can do better. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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