DrewDon Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, kingjoey said: There is dubiety about it, Warnock has to go, now. As others have said, put Peter Leven in charge for the rest of the season. I was happy to see Warnock coming in when he did, but he has turned it into a nightmare. For someone who we were told is a brilliant man manager, he has shown the total antithesis of this. With every single pre and post match interview he makes things worse. Never takes responsibility, apart from the first 25 minutes against Motherwell. Tells the players publicly that only one of them is a leader. Tells the players publicly that they are not good enough. Tells the players publicly that he has to make do with what he’s got. Never comes up with solutions. Makes Bojan Miovski, our best player of the season by a mile, that he is at fault for the defeat at Kilmarnock. Always trying to crack a joke. He has been a f*ck*ng disaster. This seems a bit much. It has been five league games, discounting Rangers where by Warnock's own admission he had next to no input, with a very flawed and unbalanced squad. These results and performances could just have easily have been produced with Leven in charge. It is still too small a sample size to be demanding a sacking, even if we have not had the bounce we hoped. We have to guard against reading too much into what he - or indeed any manager - says in interviews, too. I think Miovski is brilliant, but he was poor at the first goal against Kilmarnock and I don't think it is exactly outrageous for his manager to briefly note that. If Miovski is to have the career he is capable of having, he will have managers who will criticise him and expect a reaction. I don't think it's a big issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_Kahn Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, DrewDon said: We have to guard against reading too much into what he - or indeed any manager - says in interviews, too. I think Miovski is brilliant, but he was poor at the first goal against Kilmarnock and I don't think it is exactly outrageous for his manager to briefly note that. If Miovski is to have the career he is capable of having, he will have managers who will criticise him and expect a reaction. I don't think it's a big issue. I agree with this. Bojan went through a severe dry spell last winter too (1 goal in 10 league matches) so I'm not sure I buy this dragging of Warnock for his lack of form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, DrewDon said: This seems a bit much. It has been five league games, discounting Rangers where by Warnock's own admission he had next to no input, with a very flawed and unbalanced squad. These results and performances could just have easily have been produced with Leven in charge. It is still too small a sample size to be demanding a sacking, even if we have not had the bounce we hoped. We have to guard against reading too much into what he - or indeed any manager - says in interviews, too. I think Miovski is brilliant, but he was poor at the first goal against Kilmarnock and I don't think it is exactly outrageous for his manager to briefly note that. If Miovski is to have the career he is capable of having, he will have managers who will criticise him and expect a reaction. I don't think it's a big issue. Have you listened to his interviews? Negativity, negativity, negativity. Not accepting any of the blame, apart from, as I said, the first 25 minutes against Motherwell. He’s said more than once that Shinnie is the only leader we have. The dressing room must be in revolt. I normally like to defend managers and give them a chance, and I was in favour of Warnock’s appointment, but he is leading us into oblivion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, DrewDon said: This seems a bit much. It has been five league games, discounting Rangers where by Warnock's own admission he had next to no input, with a very flawed and unbalanced squad. These results and performances could just have easily have been produced with Leven in charge. It is still too small a sample size to be demanding a sacking, even if we have not had the bounce we hoped. We have to guard against reading too much into what he - or indeed any manager - says in interviews, too. I think Miovski is brilliant, but he was poor at the first goal against Kilmarnock and I don't think it is exactly outrageous for his manager to briefly note that. If Miovski is to have the career he is capable of having, he will have managers who will criticise him and expect a reaction. I don't think it's a big issue. It seems to be the case now that a manager cannot criticise the players because they are all delicate little flowers and he can't hurt their feelings because that is unfair. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, O_Kahn said: I agree with this. Bojan went through a severe dry spell last winter too (1 goal in 10 league matches) so I'm not sure I buy this dragging of Warnock for his lack of form. I didn’t say that Warnock was to blame for Miovski’s lack of recent goals. The chance he missed today was incredible, and didn’t even make on to the Sportscene highlights for some reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_Kahn Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) Who on earth does Cormack appoint if Warnock does get booted? Leven apparently doesn't want it. An ex-player to try and get a very short term-boost (Black or McLeish)? Or someone who hasn't had a sniff of a job in a long time and would take a job for 2 months (Lennon?) I wouldn't advocate for any of the above but I can't see what other direction he goes in. Edited March 2 by O_Kahn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: It seems to be the case now that a manager cannot criticise the players because they are all delicate little flowers and he can't hurt their feelings because that is unfair. His main strength is supposed to be man management. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, kingjoey said: His main strength is supposed to be man management. It is his hidden strength, he just hasn't found it yet. He is old, he has misplaced it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 6 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Have you listened to his interviews? Negativity, negativity, negativity. Not accepting any of the blame, apart from, as I said, the first 25 minutes against Motherwell. He’s said more than once that Shinnie is the only leader we have. The dressing room must be in revolt. I normally like to defend managers and give them a chance, and I was in favour of Warnock’s appointment, but he is leading us into oblivion. I have listened to some of them, but I don't read anything into them and I doubt the players pay attention to them. We had two managers in Glass and Goodwin who came across well in interviews but failed to deliver when it mattered. It is a sideshow, all told. I don't get the impression, at least from today's performance, that this is a team that has downed tools or anything like that. It is a flawed team, a struggling team, but I would venture that any chat of 'revolt' is misplaced for now. And, frankly, this group of players simply does not have the credit in the bank to be throwing their toys out of the pram over relatively innocuous (and frankly accurate) comments from their manager, even if they wanted to. Edited March 2 by DrewDon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: It seems to be the case now that a manager cannot criticise the players because they are all delicate little flowers and he can't hurt their feelings because that is unfair. It's not about being delicate little flowers though - how motivated would you be to work for your boss if he walked about the office loudly telling everyone how shit you were at your job? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 7 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Have you listened to his interviews? Negativity, negativity, negativity. Agree with this. He's talking things down when he's meant to be the figure lifting those around him. As for sacking him, I'd imagine that would depend on the dressing room. If the feeling is the players would rather have stability, then I can see why they'd stick with him. For a good number of those players a new guy would be their fourth head coach in less than two seasons. It's not a great position to be hiring from, from an owner with a poor record in hiring. I'm not saying this is a good situation, but I can see why they'd fear just making it worse by changing. Edited March 2 by VincentGuerin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, Scooby_Doo said: It's not about being delicate little flowers though - how motivated would you be to work for your boss if he walked about the office loudly telling everyone how shit you were at your job? Water off a duck's back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfish Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 @Div Might be worth moving this thread to the Championship forum. Save you a job on GTF day. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 At least if we go down we won't have as many roaster St Mirren posters clogging up the thread. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherchance Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Scooby_Doo said: It's not about being delicate little flowers though - how motivated would you be to work for your boss if he walked about the office loudly telling everyone how shit you were at your job? He talked Miovski up as the best striker he's managed, then only criticised him for losing his man at a corner. He said that some players lacked a bit of aggression, emphasising that they just weren't that sort of player. If anything that's taking the heat off them, because it's not as if they are shite or not trying, it's a point about the squad deficiencies. Shinnie he had a pop at, but then he played his best game for a while midweek (and thought he was ok today) Understand that a lot of us are used to mundane managerial interviews where nothing of value is said, but none of this should be/is destroying motivation or confidence. We're just shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munoz Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 This way lads..... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcginns Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 hours ago, Joe Terrapin said: I've gone full circle on Warnock since his appointment. I initially thought he would be good for the Scottish game and would call out the blatant corruption towards the top two but he's been an unmitigated disaster. I quickly came to dislike him with his pithy comments and general lack of self awareness however that interview tonight is of a broken man. Aberdeen have fucked him. Give up Neil while you still have your health. If you need to do a Roy Hodgson to save face if you have to but go back to your grandkids and enjoy what's left of your life. "pithy".....oooooooooooooh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) Big Dave's statement is a lot of fun. This "We beat Eintracht" stuff is good. A dead rubber at home against a team who had Leverkusen away three days later isn't quite 1983, Dave. And the "reached a League Cup final", well, aye, after mugging a shite Hibs team, having swatted aside Stirling Albion and Ross County (by a single goal each)... "Baffling" league form, Dave! Baffling like why the council didn't buy Aberdeen FC being worth a billion quid to the local economy. He's some boy. Edited March 3 by VincentGuerin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Dave’s statement is a big nothing. He really had nothing to gain from it. Angry Aberdeen fans will be angry and the fans of others who have an inclination to pick the bones over all things Aberdeen will laugh. He just needs to suck up the noise right now and get on with doing the necessary behind the scenes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1GregStewart Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Dave’s statement is a big nothing. He really had nothing to gain from it. Angry Aberdeen fans will be angry and the fans of others who have an inclination to pick the bones over all things Aberdeen will laugh. He just needs to suck up the noise right now and get on with doing the necessary behind the scenes. Phew, back to normality thankfully. Spot on, statements don’t win games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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