sons superhero Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 lolwut? He is a bigot. Plain and simple. And is an SNP MSP. If you vote Yes, you do so alongside homophobic bigots, like Mason, and Bill Walker. How can you do so with any conscience? When you vote Yes you do so alongside racists like Settler Watch and ethnic Nationalists like Siol Nan Gaidheal - how can you do so with any conscience? That's the WoS article in its essence. In short - absolute garbage - the usual standard of its output. Have you not said previously that you voted SNP. Therefore you did so alongside homophobic bigots like Mason and wife beater Walker. Must be terrible to feel such self loathing as you must do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Mason voted against his party so never voted as a SNP MSP in this matter. He actually proposed the motion. As an SNP MSP. Here's a nugget of information for you champ - voting against the party hierarchy, doesn't mean he isn't an SNP MSP any more. What about Bill Walker, Dennis Robertson, Gil Paterson, Richard Lyle, Mike MacKenzie? Got a get out for those bigots also? Maybe they don't like musical theatre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Have you not said previously that you voted SNP. Therefore you did so alongside homophobic bigots like Mason and wife beater Walker. Gasp yes! My goodness - I hadn't thought of that.... It's almost like... wait...like you have to accept unsavoury characters are going to vote alongside you, and therefore it is unfair to stigmatise a campaign by those disgraceful individuals who also support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 When people attempt to link the Pro-union campaign as pursued by Better Together and the mainstream parties and opponents of independence in Scotland: to Britain First, the BNP, the Orange Order, Britannica, Holocaust denial and the like, simply because these unsavoury groups, whose politics mainstream Unionism routinely condemns, have availed themselves of the opportunity to register themselves independently with the Electoral commission as participants, do you think that is reasonable? Look at the Tories. Their full of racists and snobs. That is not made up. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/17/conservative-party-ethnic-minorities_n_4801441.html http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/nov/25/howard-flight-rebuked-no-10-poor-people-breeding The Orange Order. So BT has condemned them? Routinely as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveFanDan Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 it is unfair to stigmatise a campaign by those disgraceful individuals who also support it. So why do you (and the wider No campaign) keep trying to do exactly that? When you even have to drag up the highly changeable opinions of a mad poet from 1928 in an attempt to bolster your non-existent case, maybe it would be best to just not bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveFanDan Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 What makes them "genuine" ethnic nationalists in a way that the ethnic nationalists on here are not? The fact that they are actually ethnic nationalists, whereas all the people you have accused of being ethnic nationalists here are not. The accusation loses force if you throw it about like confetti. You should save up your accusations of ethnic nationalism, and direct them at actual ethnic nationalists instead of anybody on the forum that happens to annoy you. Try starting with Britain First, I hear they're big right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Im beginning to feel sorry for bill and ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 So why do you (and the wider No campaign) keep trying to do exactly that? He isn't and the "wider No campaign" isn't. Specific, insignificant, individuals who happen to be in the No campaign are, in much the same way as Wings and other specific individuals are trying to do the same to the No campaign based on the fact that Britannica is a registered participant in the referendum. HB's point, as it clear to anyone with a brain, is that the smear attempts from both sides are equally ridiculous. When you even have to drag up the highly changeable opinions of a mad poet from 1928 in an attempt to bolster your non-existent case, maybe it would be best to just not bother? You were the one that made the sweeping claim that it has "always been the case" that "every" fascist, Nazi or far-right group ever to have existed in UK politics was of the British variety rather than attaching to some other nationality, and that Scottish nationalism had not experienced this. He was simply correcting you that this is not the case at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 He isn't and the "wider No campaign" isn't. Specific, insignificant, individuals who happen to be in the No campaign are, in much the same way as Wings and other specific individuals are trying to do the same to the No campaign based on the fact that Britannica is a registered participant in the referendum. HB's point, as it clear to anyone with a brain, is that the smear attempts from both sides are equally ridiculous. You were the one that made the sweeping claim that it has "always been the case" that "every" fascist, Nazi or far-right group ever to have existed in UK politics was of the British variety rather than attaching to some other nationality, and that Scottish nationalism had not experienced this. He was simply correcting you that this is not the case at all. Again - semantics. Yes there are a few exceptions but the general rule is that far-right fascist views in UK politics are of the British nationalist variety. Just because you and H_B have scrambled for those exceptions does not mean the rule doesn't stand. It does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 He actually proposed the motion. As an SNP MSP. Here's a nugget of information for you champ - voting against the party hierarchy, doesn't mean he isn't an SNP MSP any more. What about Bill Walker, Dennis Robertson, Gil Paterson, Richard Lyle, Mike MacKenzie? Got a get out for those bigots also? Maybe they don't like musical theatre? Here's a red dot for using the term champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Again - semantics. Yes there are a few exceptions but the general rule is that far-right fascist views in UK politics are of the British nationalist variety. Just because you and H_B have scrambled for those exceptions does not mean the rule doesn't stand. It does. People should say what they mean. If they don't, and what they say is wrong, then it is perfectly legitimate to point out they are wrong. Because they are. He was wrong. What he said was incorrect. Here's a red dot for using the term champ. Red dot for being a homophobe, champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 He actually proposed the motion. As an SNP MSP. Here's a nugget of information for you champ - voting against the party hierarchy, doesn't mean he isn't an SNP MSP any more. What about Bill Walker, Dennis Robertson, Gil Paterson, Richard Lyle, Mike MacKenzie? Got a get out for those bigots also? Maybe they don't like musical theatre? So what your saying is Wiles was representing the views of the labour party and the no campaign. Just as Mason was representing the SNP on gay marriage. Now I get it sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 So what your saying is Wiles was representing the views of the labour party and the no campaign. Just as Mason was representing the SNP on gay marriage. Now I get it sorry. Or, you know, you could read literally the next post, which states the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Or, you know, you could read literally the next post, which states the opposite. So Mason wasn't representing the SNP when he voted against it, but I'm a nugget for saying the same thing. Please can you both make your minds up. Is this the self loathing thing again. So all these posts to say its not fair to tar everybody in both campaigns with the same brush. What a pair of fannies you both are why not just say that???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 So Mason wasn't representing the SNP when he voted against it, but I'm a nugget for saying the same thing. Please can you both make your minds up. Is this the self loathing thing again. You are an idiot for interpreting H_B as saying that it is legitimate to tar the SNP as a whole with the actions of a single MSP. So all these posts to say its not fair to tar everybody in both campaigns with the same brush. What a pair of fannies you both are why not just say that???? No. All these posts to point out that claims that somehow the Scottish nationalists are uniquely not bad in terms of the people associated with it are bollocks and people shouldn't pretend otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 You are an idiot for interpreting H_B as saying that it is legitimate to tar the SNP as a whole with the actions of a single MSP. No. All these posts to point out that claims that somehow the Scottish nationalists are uniquely not bad in terms of the people associated with it are bollocks and people shouldn't pretend otherwise. That is not the point. If the fascists worry you, then look at BritNats. But on this forum, these folk do not worry you. Only a yes vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 That is not the point. If the fascists worry you, then look at BritNats. But on this forum, these folk do not worry you. Only a yes vote. I am not worried by fascists. They are completely incompetent and have no meaningful influence on British life and politics. I am not "worried" about a Yes vote. I'm voting for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 You are an idiot for interpreting H_B as saying that it is legitimate to tar the SNP as a whole with the actions of a single MSP. No. All these posts to point out that claims that somehow the Scottish nationalists are uniquely not bad in terms of the people associated with it are bollocks and people shouldn't pretend otherwise. So when he called me champ and said Mason was representing the SNP on that vote he was saying that he actually agreed with me and when you said people should say what they mean you were lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 So why do you (and the wider No campaign) keep trying to do exactly that? When you even have to drag up the highly changeable opinions of a mad poet from 1928 in an attempt to bolster your non-existent case, maybe it would be best to just not bother? Sorry, what? This coming from the poster who (wrongly and laughably) tried to synonimise Unionism with Fascism? And several times now we have seen a WoS blog entry gleefully copied and pasted by Nationlists, in an attempt to pretend the No campaign is a haven of racists, bigots, Fasicsts, homophobes etc. Completely ignoring of course the Yes supporters who exhibit these traits, as you did also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 So all these posts to say its not fair to tar everybody in both campaigns with the same brush. This is abysmal stuff from you. I'm cringing at your stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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