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[fatshaft]

1 hour ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

 

If Cowden do go down this year

I think we can all say we hope this is the case. 

[Stu]

4 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

Tony Fitzpatrick getting a tad carried away by claiming that St Mirren are a top 4 Premiership club 

He claimed a few years ago we'd win the Premiership in 2019. Disappointed he's toning down his expectations

3 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

Have they ever finished top 4 at all?

We finished third in the 1980s. Aside from that, no idea.

2 hours ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

He is partly wrong. A relegated SPFL team goes into either the HL or LL, depending if they are N or S of the Tay.

If Cowden do go down this year, a second team would be relegated from the LL to either the SoS or EoS league.

If Cowdenbeath go down and Spartans win the play-offs then it's a straight swap. There's only a second team relegated from the Lowland if Cove win the play-offs.

[Ranaldo Bairn]

5 minutes ago, Stu said:

He claimed a few years ago we'd win the Premiership in 2019. Disappointed he's toning down his expectations

We finished third in the 1980s. Aside from that, no idea.

If Cowdenbeath go down and Spartans win the play-offs then it's a straight swap. There's only a second team relegated from the Lowland if Cove win the play-offs.

Yes that's correct, thanks. I had been thinking about Cove winning the playoffs  a lot recently, hence the incomplete response.

[H Wragg]

They go in to the Highland or Lowland League depending on if they're located North or South of the Tay

What would happen if there was a straight run of southerners being relegated in favour of northerners, or vice versa?

[DA Baracus]

Just now, H Wragg said:

What would happen if there was a straight run of southerners being relegated in favour of northerners, or vice versa?

Then the respective leagues would have to admit more members and relegate more members, or for those who would have less members just run with reduced numbers. I think there's a maximum and minimum in terms of how many teams can make up either league

[DA Baracus]

Just had a quick read of the SPFL rules. I assume the Tay is longitude 56 45 13 N as this is the measurement used for what league you go in to if you're relegated from League 2 

[1320Lichtie]

Just had a quick read of the SPFL rules. I assume the Tay is longitude 56 45 13 N as this is the measurement used for what league you go in to if you're relegated from League 2 

Basically us and what’s north of us. Load of shite tbh the line should be drawn at Stonehaven.

[DA Baracus]

Couldn't find anything in the Highland League documents but the Lowland League rules clearly state that 16 is the maximum number of clubs that can compete in that league.

 

Edited April 14, 2018 by DA Baracus

[DA Baracus]

14 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 

Basically us and what’s north of us. Load of shite tbh the line should be drawn at Stonehaven.

 

It does seem to be rather arbitrary. Not sure how they arrived at it. No reason why they couldn't just do it on an individual team basis

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Just had a quick read of the SPFL rules. I assume the Tay is longitude 56 45 13 N as this is the measurement used for what league you go in to if you're relegated from League 2 

So the line hits the coast just north of montrose

56°45'13.0"N 2°26'00.0"W
https://goo.gl/maps/66yh1nHnvwQ2

[DA Baracus]

3 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

 

So the line hits the coast just north of montrose

56°45'13.0"N 2°26'00.0"W
https://goo.gl/maps/66yh1nHnvwQ2

 

Makes more sense that the Tay. Also means that Montrose would be a Lowland League team should they ever be relegated from League 2

[topcat(The most tip top)]

And that turns out to be the precise point where coastal Angus meets Coastal Aberdeenshire

[1320Lichtie]

Montrose seemed to be under the impression they’d be highland league bound if they were relegated?

[Ginaro]

10 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

So the line hits the coast just north of montrose

56°45'13.0"N 2°26'00.0"W
https://goo.gl/maps/66yh1nHnvwQ2

This was discussed elsewhere - it was confirmed by the Lowland League secretary it is at the Tay Bridge:

On 26/03/2018 at 16:31, FairWeatherFan said:

Here is a map with all the Scottish clubs and the dividing line: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1k4xWEiA6DvPhdnfOqT835ybt52xQ4Grr 

Unlike England, where there is a fluid boundary at tier 6  for National League North/South and the 44 teams are split equally, there is a natural gap between Higland/Lowland which needs a solution at some point.

 

[DA Baracus]

https://spfl.co.uk/spfl/

SPFL Rules and Regulations, page 226 

[topcat(The most tip top)]

I see the confusion here the rules express it in decimal format as opposed to degrees, minutes and seconds
It says 56.4513N

Which is decimal for
56°27'05"N not 56°45'13"N

[The Master]

58 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

This was discussed elsewhere - it was confirmed by the Lowland League secretary it is at the Tay Bridge:

Here is a map with all the Scottish clubs and the dividing line: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1k4xWEiA6DvPhdnfOqT835ybt52xQ4Grr 

Unlike England, where there is a fluid boundary at tier 6  for National League North/South and the 44 teams are split equally, there is a natural gap between Higland/Lowland which needs a solution at some point.

 

I don't think there's ever going to be a straightforward solution to regional football where you (potentially) have teams from a national setup coming down.

Our method puts teams in a "relegation purgatory", where they might be relegated depending on who wins the play-offs.

In England, they redraw the lines every season, but they almost always end up in illogical geographical locations. There was a situation a few seasons ago where a team from the Home Counties (I forget who) found themselves in the (then) Conference North, simply because there were 22 teams further south than them. That kind of nullifies the point of regional football.

[Eednud]

I don't think there's ever going to be a straightforward solution to regional football where you (potentially) have teams from a national setup coming down.
Our method puts teams in a "relegation purgatory", where they might be relegated depending on who wins the play-offs.
In England, they redraw the lines every season, but they almost always end up in illogical geographical locations. There was a situation a few seasons ago where a team from the Home Counties (I forget who) found themselves in the (then) Conference North, simply because there were 22 teams further south than them. That kind of nullifies the point of regional football.

2012/13 both Bishops Stortford and Oxford City ended up in Conference North. Brackley Town from Northamptonshire are currently in National League North.

[Mark Connolly]

26 minutes ago, Eednud said:

2012/13 both Bishops Stortford and Oxford City ended up in Conference North. Brackley Town from Northamptonshire are currently in National League North.

As long as the team from Southampton are in National League South, this seems fair enough

[Boghead ranter]

Ah,  but what if Dumbarton got relegated from League 2?