Todders Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 There will be a manifesto. I don't mean Labour should say 'vote us to get rid of the Tories' and literally nothing else. I'm saying the general tactic should be the 'sack the Tories' message. In the same way the SNP tactic will be 'vote for us to turn Westminster seats tartan.' That's not going to be the SNPs be all and end all but a summation of their general tactic. Then I will wait to see if the Labour manifesto actually contains any policies that will make Scotland a better place. Given their past performances, I very much doubt it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Then I will wait to see if the Labour manifesto actually contains any policies that will make Scotland a better place. Given their past performances, I very much doubt it will. Well documents tend to be like that when you've made your mind up before you've read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'd rather vote Tory than Labour, they're an embarassment. Why can't people like jmothecat see that? Robots. I don't think there's anything wrong with the Tories, I would never personally vote for them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 jmothecat, are you trolling? You really don't see the blatant lies Labour told throughout the referendum and it doesn't bother you that they worked hand in hand with the Tories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'd rather vote Tory than Labour, they're an embarassment. Why can't people like jmothecat see that? Robots. I don't think there's anything wrong with the Tories, I would never personally vote for them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowthennowthen Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 A partys manifesto isn't important. Yes it is, or at least it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 jmothecat, are you trolling? You really don't see the blatant lies Labour told throughout the referendum and it doesn't bother you that they worked hand in hand with the Tories? Just to be clear here, are you suggesting that Labour and the Conservatives shouldn't both have been campaigning for a No vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 This did make me laugh http://bit.ly/14mEDiF Craig Murray considering standing as an independent in Berwick upon tweed on the platform it would join Scotland. We know him being elected is never going to happen, but let's just say for a laugh he did. Call me a cynic, but I wouldn't believe for a moment the border could be shifted South to bring in Berwick upon tweed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 When people on here talk about the 'lies' and 'tactics' etc of Labour, it almost sounds as if they don't think the SNP were doing the exact same thing. Politicians tell mistruths, smudge facts, act tactically for their own gain and use spin and whatever else they can for positive publicity. I'm very much aware of that. However the political parties are different, do have different views and philosophies and in my opinion there is a noticeable difference between what the Tories want to do, what the SNP want to do and what Labour want to do. My views, broadly, match Labour's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 When people on here talk about the 'lies' and 'tactics' etc of Labour, it almost sounds as if they don't think the SNP were doing the exact same thing. Politicians tell mistruths, smudge facts, act tactically for their own gain and use spin and whatever else they can for positive publicity. I'm very much aware of that. However the political parties are different, do have different views and philosophies and in my opinion there is a noticeable difference between what the Tories want to do, what the SNP want to do and what Labour want to do. My views, broadly, match Labour's. Scottish Labour or UK Labour? Or are they really just the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 When people on here talk about the 'lies' and 'tactics' etc of Labour, it almost sounds as if they don't think the SNP were doing the exact same thing. Politicians tell mistruths, smudge facts, act tactically for their own gain and use spin and whatever else they can for positive publicity. I'm very much aware of that. However the political parties are different, do have different views and philosophies and in my opinion there is a noticeable difference between what the Tories want to do, what the SNP want to do and what Labour want to do. My views, broadly, match Labour's. yeah, and Labour's views broadly match the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Bull Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 When people on here talk about the 'lies' and 'tactics' etc of Labour, it almost sounds as if they don't think the SNP were doing the exact same thing. Politicians tell mistruths, smudge facts, act tactically for their own gain and use spin and whatever else they can for positive publicity. I'm very much aware of that. However the political parties are different, do have different views and philosophies and in my opinion there is a noticeable difference between what the Tories want to do, what the SNP want to do and what Labour want to do. My views, broadly, match Labour's. Probably wasting your breath with the doctrinaire, impracticable theorists on here. They actually believe the lies they want to believe. I'm not sorry to say it but the separatist on here all seem incapable of objectivity of thought. Hence, the Borg hive mentality when it comes to separation from the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 When people on here talk about the 'lies' and 'tactics' etc of Labour, it almost sounds as if they don't think the SNP were doing the exact same thing. When the SNP do it it is clever politicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Politicians tell mistruths, smudge facts, act tactically for their own gain and use spin and whatever else they can for positive publicity. But who's allowed to? Voted for this, this, and this. Press says Jim's left-wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Bull Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But who's allowed to? Voted for this, this, and this. Press says Jim's left-wing. What are you on son. Can I have some. Death by giggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I mean in the sense that they are true to their origins and are there for a certain group of people. Labour are just an absolute embarassing shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbes20silkcut Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Tomorrow night sees the first snp area meeting since I became a member of the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Tomorrow night sees the first snp area meeting since I became a member of the party. Ok kl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Bull Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Tomorrow night sees the first snp area meeting since I became a member of the party. I'm happy for you. Please let us know if there is a call for another Separation Ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'm happy for you. Please let us know if there is a call for another Separation Ref. Don't worry about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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