H_B Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 If I had to choose between the two by doing the Number 10 test, I'd choose Dave every time tbh. However contemptible he may be he at least he exudes a slight air of competence. But thankfully I don't, I'll be voting snp and Alex Salmond, and that's what I think I'll get representing me, not Tories or Labour. In what way will Alex Salmond be representing you? Will you just be ignoring the actual make up of Parliament and pretending only the SNP exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 The neoliberal, take what you can get, look after number one society that thatcher forced upon the nation (some parts embraced it more than others) has went from strength to strength. 13 years of labour and no change in political direction. Yes there was increased health and education spending but both were put on tick, and that economic plan backfired pretty spectacularly. I'd love to see a sizeable group of snp mp's down in Westminster holding the balance of power. I remember the 80s, but labour is now dead to me. A fairly incredible contradiction.. You criticise... Perfectly reasonably the me, me, me philosophy.. Then preen about the SNP winning seats.! The party of middle class handouts... Corporation Tax cuts... Forcing massive austerity on councils... Accepting wedges from corporate bigots to screw the public ... Fantastic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urban Gorilla Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 The people on this thread must be really bored that they're responding to such a terrible troll as Urban Gorilla.I reckon the quality of discussion would be improved if he were ignored. The truth hurts eh? That's the second time you've called me a troll. Life would be wonderful if everyone agreed with you all the time. Sadly life just isn't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 And what have the tories got to do with Labour? The idea of voting for a party that you hate, just to keep out another party you hate is really pish poor politics and makes a mockery of democracy. I'll be voting SNP in May, because they represent my views and my country. To f**k with who the next UK Government is, neither do us any favours. Do the SNP think the poor have destructive life styles and that the poor can't be helped by an increase in their benefits or hand outs as you call them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Care to point out where I called benefits "hand outs"? It seems that the Labour lie factor is infectious. It's now beginning to spread to the blairite die hards who like to pretend they're still socialists. So you accept that the poor have destructive life styles - that's very socialist of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Never thought I'd see a yes voter voting labour after what we have just witnessed during the referendum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urban Gorilla Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 And what have the tories got to do with Labour? The idea of voting for a party that you hate, just to keep out another party you hate is really pish poor politics and makes a mockery of democracy. I'll be voting SNP in May, because they represent my views and my country. To f**k with who the next UK Government is, neither do us any favours. I can't quite get my head around that it "doesn't matter" who the next government is. It affects us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urban Gorilla Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Never thought I'd see a yes voter voting labour after what we have just witnessed during the referendum I'm doing it to prevent another Tory government. The Tories themselves have admitted they haven't even started. There will be cuts under labour but they won't be as severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Fair enough with the local politics I'm talking about the people ruling the country. With all due respect you probably were very young when the Tories ruled before New Labour came to power. Believe me it was fucking grim. I had to leave this country to make a decent living. I left school in the late 80s and it was bad. Labour made a huge difference when they got elected. The problem is most on here wont remember this. I left school in the mid eighties so we're about even there. Aye, it was grim but Labour only got elected in '97 and in doing so had to jettison any socialist principles they had. When in opposition in the 80s I can mind the local Labour 'mafia' all being anti-nuclear, anti-Apartheid (that included SA's friend Israel) and pro-nationalisation. By the time Blair entered No10, these were all historical embarrassments to Labour. I haven't changed my views on these subjects - I'm still anti-nuclear though Labour now lie in bed with arms-dealers, I still abhor Israel's treatment of Palestine though Apartheid is gone and our key industries should be nationalised - and that includes not selling hospitals to private pirates under PFI. Living standards for some did rise under Bliar - mainly due to massive borrowing by Gord Broon - but the gap between rich and poor widened. In truth, Bliar was a Thatcherite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Are you denying that there are poor people out there with destructive life styles? Perhaps in your anti-socialist mind, all poor people are just the same. There are people of all income brackets with such life styles and yes some poor will be the same. However, you chose to categorise the poor in general not just some and that accordingly there was no point giving them free hand outs. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 The SNP landslide will fail to materialise once the Scottish electorate realise they are effectively voting in another Tory government. I've no doubt they'll gain seats and maybe be the biggest party in Scotland but thoughts of Labour being wiped out is wishful thinking. lol wut The SNP will be the largest party in Scotland and the result therefore will be utter humiliation for both Labour and the Liberal Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 No, you read into it that way, so you could twist what I actually said. (Very Labourish thing to do) 'It's about helping the poor to help themselves by giving them equal opportunities in life. Not by giving them free hand outs so they can continue the same destructive life style.' yeah I misunderstood that totally, I apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Vote Labour get the tories imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I'm doing it to prevent another Tory government. The Tories themselves have admitted they haven't even started. There will be cuts under labour but they won't be as severe. Why don't you just vote for who you like best? You've already said you're older mate but you're totally stuck in the past voting that way. My old gran was saying the same thing to me Thursday night, said her dad would've been labour labour labour to keep the Tories out, that's what she's always done too, and she said to me there she doesn't even know why she bothers as what's the difference between the 2 anyways these days. She's going to vote SNP this time. Labour relying on all the old craters as she put it doing what they always have done, purely voting Labour to keep the Tories out. Which seems just about right because as a new voter I can't think of any other reason why anyone would vote for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 1) I don't think the current benefit system is a hand out. But Labour wish to change it so they do recieve hand outs. 2) I never said "all" poor people have destructive lifestyles, you just read into it that way. 3) You're a c**t. I can completely understand why you are uncomfortable trying to defend your position; but you are just making it worse by convincing yourself that its my fault. You spoke about 'the poor' - not some or a few. You then directly moved onto 'they' and 'hand outs'. This effort was lovely as well; 'Fairness means everybody having equal opportunities and not being disciminated against. It doesn't mean making life free for some people at the expense of those who actually bother to get out of bed in the morning.' Socialism today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Tubbs and co will be in the nursing homes in the run up to may Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Socialism is fairness for all. Not just for the poor. But you wouldn't know this, because you're not a socialist. Fairness; yes language like 'destructive life styles' 'hand outs' 'life free' and 'those you can be bothered to get out of bed' that sounds reasonable and equality based on fairness for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Fairness; yes language like 'destructive life styles' 'hand outs' 'life free' and 'those you can be bothered to get out of bed' that sounds reasonable and equality based on fairness for all. Are you not planning on voting for Labour who hate this "something for nothing society " ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I'm doing it to prevent another Tory government. The Tories themselves have admitted they haven't even started. There will be cuts under labour but they won't be as severe. Who knew Jim Murphy would be desperate enough to create a P&B account on Xmas Eve Nobodys buying it. You say you are old enough to remember the 80's. So how did it feel in 1987 or 1992 as the Tories romped home despite Scotland voting overwhelmingly for Labour? Same thing will happen again if folk follow your advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 English Sun coming out against UKIP, as a vote for them will bring in a Labour/SNP government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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