milhouse Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Nationalism is a divisive and horrible thing, it has no place in the modern world. Nationalism can only hamper the ability to be a prosperous nation on a global scale. I really don't get why people don't agree with that philosophy. It seem's obvious. Nationalism isn't really compatible with the modern world. And your opinions on British nationalism please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taza Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 And your opinions on British nationalism please... Lex & thepundit were very likely at George Sq on the 19th, shouting loyalist slogans and attempting to pull flags from wee lassies. The type of people that make being part of The UK such an embarrassing stigma. Closet Nazis and no doubt, future UKIP voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I can't stand anyone's nationalism: Scottish, British, French, Burkina Fasan. Still, I've kept an eye on this forum for a few days, and can't imagine a single reason why any Scottish No voter would be even mildly upset with the current state of affairs. It's not No voters vowing vengeance, or gathering in defiant, flag-waving crowds, or cursing media phantoms. As best I can tell, there are no sub-forums anywhere full of angry No-voting roasters demanding that the fight continue. So you know, what? If there's something that Scotland's No voters are meant to be upset about, what is it? Can anyone spell it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowers Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Anyone who has to say the other person is "seething" is just making themselves look stupid. it would have been nice to see actual debate post the vote, instead we have grown men acting like children and having to resort to shit nicknames for people who voted differently than they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 ^^^^^^^^ Seething Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 It's not No voters vowing vengeance, or gathering in defiant, flag-waving crowds, No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 No? That'll be the disgusting British Nationalism that was prevelant throughout the entire no campaign. The right wing, inward looking and xenophobic type of nationalism that no voters pretend does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 That'll be the disgusting British Nationalism that was prevelant throughout the entire no campaign. The right wing, inward looking and xenophobic type of nationalism that no voters pretend does not exist. Correct. The behaviour of the Britnats throughout was far worse than anything the "vile cybernats" ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Being better behaved than a minority of bigoted arseholes is hardly worth celebrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowers Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Correct. The behaviour of the Britnats throughout was far worse than anything the "vile cybernats" ever did. Terms like these are used by people who are the problem. Its not exactly hard to see that both sides have their fair share of arseholes, this thread is an example of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 I can't stand anyone's nationalism: Scottish, British, French, Burkina Fasan. Still, I've kept an eye on this forum for a few days, and can't imagine a single reason why any Scottish No voter would be even mildly upset with the current state of affairs. It's not No voters vowing vengeance, or gathering in defiant, flag-waving crowds, or cursing media phantoms. As best I can tell, there are no sub-forums anywhere full of angry No-voting roasters demanding that the fight continue. So you know, what? If there's something that Scotland's No voters are meant to be upset about, what is it? Can anyone spell it out? I think some No voters are unhappy that the idea of independence isn't being put to bed. I think its pretty clear now that those who believe strongly in Scottish independence will continue to argue the case - and will continue to be engaged and vocal in their arguments. This can be seen by the impressive rise in membership for the Yes campaign parties. Those who are strongly opposed to independence wanted an end to the debate. As a result you get some posters on here being a little bit too desperate as they try to shut down the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 No? Congratulations! You have found some stupid Rangers supporters. Personally, I thought this one was all a bit vanilla, compared to Manchester. I think some No voters are unhappy that the idea of independence isn't being put to bed. I think its pretty clear now that those who believe strongly in Scottish independence will continue to argue the case - and will continue to be engaged and vocal in their arguments. This can be seen by the impressive rise in membership for the Yes campaign parties. Those who are strongly opposed to independence wanted an end to the debate. As a result you get some posters on here being a little bit too desperate as they try to shut down the issue. I'll actually agree with this, to a certain extent. After two years of deafeningly loud, non-stop waffle about the wondrous democratic will of the Scottish people, it's a bit tiresome to still have exactly the same people telling us exactly the same boring stories, in tones that demonstrate that they think everyone else is just too stupid to grasp how right they are. Except now, with the idea that the country democratically rejecting nationalist politics just proves how urgently important nationalist politics are to the country. I can't say that I'm seething about it, though - there are worse and more stupid forms of politics in the UK. It's just a bit boring and exasperating, like it's three in the morning after a party and some of your guests won't leave and let you get some kip, because they're sitting up guzzling Red Bull and talking pish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 Congratulations! You have found some stupid Rangers supporters. Personally, I thought this one was all a bit vanilla, compared to Manchester. You said "It's not No voters vowing vengeance, or gathering in defiant, flag-waving crowds" I was merely highlighting that you were, in fact, talking actual bollocks. There's no need to be upset about it. And make no mistake, as your response to Pandarilla confirms, you ARE upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Being better behaved than a minority of bigoted arseholes is hardly worth celebrating. "You should respect me because I'm taller than a dwarf" is a surprisingly common gambit in UK politics, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 "You should respect me because I'm taller than a dwarf" is a surprisingly common gambit in UK politics, I'm afraid. On ALL sides. Unless of course, you happen to be suggesting that the above is indicative of one particular persuasion of UK politics. I sincerely hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Congratulations! You have found some stupid Rangers supporters. Personally, I thought this one was all a bit vanilla, compared to Manchester. I'll actually agree with this, to a certain extent. After two years of deafeningly loud, non-stop waffle about the wondrous democratic will of the Scottish people, it's a bit tiresome to still have exactly the same people telling us exactly the same boring stories, in tones that demonstrate that they think everyone else is just too stupid to grasp how right they are. Except now, with the idea that the country democratically rejecting nationalist politics just proves how urgently important nationalist politics are to the country. I can't say that I'm seething about it, though - there are worse and more stupid forms of politics in the UK. It's just a bit boring and exasperating, like it's three in the morning after a party and some of your guests won't leave and let you get some kip, because they're sitting up guzzling Red Bull and talking pish. You are falling into the trap of defining the Yes campaign as 'nationalist'. I am not a nationalist and yet I am committed to an independent Scotland. I want to see an end to the neoliberal consensus that is ruining the country. Westminster is beyond repair in my opinion. None of that has to do with nationalism. I've said it before and I'll say it again: there was more nationalism on display on the No side than the Yes side. Too many folk couldn't see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 There's no need to be upset about it. And make no mistake, as your response to Pandarilla confirms, you ARE upset.Deary me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 You said "It's not No voters vowing vengeance, or gathering in defiant, flag-waving crowds" I was merely highlighting that you were, in fact, talking actual bollocks. There's no need to be upset about it. And make no mistake, as your response to Pandarilla confirms, you ARE upset. Uh-huh. You mean, you were equating one small mob of stupid Rangers supporters with weeks of flag protests and political rallies. Which is a bit like comparing the annual SNP conference to the Uefa Cup riot in Manchester 2008, in that it's the kind of desperate manouvre that people would only try if they were a bit humped for alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 You are falling into the trap of defining the Yes campaign as 'nationalist'. I am not a nationalist and yet I am committed to an independent Scotland. I want to see an end to the neoliberal consensus that is ruining the country. Westminster is beyond repair in my opinion. None of that has to do with nationalism. I've said it before and I'll say it again: there was more nationalism on display on the No side than the Yes side. Too many folk couldn't see that. Look, I'm sorry - I don't want to sound dictatorial, but if you are "committed to an independent Scotland" then you are a nationalist. There really isn't any way round this, although there are quite a lot of people trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Look, I'm sorry - I don't want to sound dictatorial, but if you are "committed to an independent Scotland" then you are a nationalist. There really isn't any way round this, although there are quite a lot of people trying. I'm a socialist. Unless you want to redefine the word nationalist. You seem to have a fairly negative definition for the word. If you want to talk about the different versions of nationalism then maybe I'll reconsider. One thing I do know is that nationalism under any guise was not my main reason for supporting Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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