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Credit where it's due, he saw what we were all seeing and changed it and got the win. Still not convinced. It was against a very poor Stirling Albion side and if he can't keep the motivation up after Christmas and we're still losing/drawing silly games, then he has to go.

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AYR (H)

AIRDRIE (A)

STRANRAER (H)
BRECHIN (A)

PETERHEAD (H)
STIRLING (A)
AIRDRIE (H)

That's the fixtures before the crucial game against Morton. We should be winning all of them bar the Brechin away one, think we'd settle for a draw in that as that's been a difficult place for us to get results. We need to be picking up as much points as possible to gain ground over Morton and Forfar before we play them.

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He has to get credit for making changes on Saturday. I know it was the side at the bottom of the league but we had lost to the second bottom side the week before with a lame performance.

Maybe a case of JJ listening more to Potter? Seems to be making it very clear he's watching every u20s game and discussing selections with Potter. If the u20s kept winning every week and the first team continued to embarass themselves then even an old dinosaur like JJ would realise that his employers might soon be asking questions.

It comes back to the fact we already had a squad that had romped to the 'best of the rest' last season, we added top League One players and remained full time. We've a big squad with few injuries or suspensions. No reason why the manager should be cut too much slack.

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Vikington absolutely nailed it in a thread the other day.

We will be fine against the smaller part time sides but as soon as we come up against anyone of a half decent standard we are exposed as the total shambles that we are.

Alloa, one point from six.

Cowden, one point from six.

Forfar, guessing over half the points lost and all lost away from home? I think we won once up there.

Morton, zero points from six.

Yet in all these games we mostly lost poor goals down to bad marking or poor team selection.

I think with someone decent in we would turn around zero or one points into about ten.

With a bit of instruction we could have drawn at Morton, won at EEP against morton and beaten forfar at home.

That's a ten point swing. We would be coasting it.

Sorry not convinced until we beat morton, forfar and the like consistently, we are behind their standard atm.

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We showed flashes against Stirling of what we were like at the first half of last season: every time we attacked we looked likely to score and defenses generally shat themselves, it was just the defending that let us down, but we still got the results.

Now that we have a half decent defence you'd have thought we could kick on but our form in the second half of last season has been well and truly carried over. We've been slow, unimaginitive, powder puff in the middle and generally shit.

With wing men in the team being used properly, a bit of muscle in the middle ie Ryan Thomson and attacking full backs, we've shown what we're capable of. Everyone on this board could see where the problems have been. We just have to hope we stick with it. Don't know why it's took this long for the squad to have been booted right up the arse but it has and hopefully we can carry it on now against the better teams.

Playing with our strengths against Forfar/Morton in the previous games, we could have been sitting quite pretty already. As it were, JJ stuck with his favourites playing tactics which suited them and not the team and we were quite rightly punished. How we managed a 0-0 against Forfar is a mystery. On another day that could have easily been 5-0. We have to work our arses off now if we're wanting this title, already playing catch up FFS.

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10 point swing including games against Cowden and Alloa?! Erm you are aware that these weren't league games and no points were available? I imagine you are but then why are you mentioning points against them?

Also did we not beat Cowden in the cup at the start of last season? And Raith this season? I think it shows that the team isn't playing to potential

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Ten point swing in the league from the first Morton game, second Morton game and the Forfar game.

All three had major tactical or team selection issues that caused us to drop points.

Morton -4

Forfar -1

Pars +7

Also credit to the opposition they were good too but with a better manager we would be coasting it imho.

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Ten point swing in the league from the first Morton game, second Morton game and the Forfar game.

All three had major tactical or team selection issues that caused us to drop points.

Morton -4

Forfar -1

Pars +7

Also credit to the opposition they were good too but with a better manager we would be coasting it imho.

Hmm! You are not giving much credit to the opposition even if you do say they were good. Morton were always going to have a slow start given they had a new team with only a couple of players from the previous season. In recent weeks they have started to gel a lot more with the best positions for players emerging after a lot of early season experimentation. Tom O'Ware, for example has played virtually everywhere except goal but seems to be now settled in the holding midfield role, playing just in front of the back four. To be honest the match at Cappielow v Dunfermline was the first that the team really gelled and showed a bit of potential and more than enough to well beat what was in front of them. I was not at EEP for family reasons but it seems we were worth our win that day too.

Morton are just as likely to go on a run as Dunfermline and I do not accept, given the same players, that it is a given that a better manager would have changed the outcome of our two games so far. Indeed with four wins on the trot in the league including over our two main rivals at the top, maybe that run has started.

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Vikington absolutely nailed it in a thread the other day.

We will be fine against the smaller part time sides but as soon as we come up against anyone of a half decent standard we are exposed as the total shambles that we are.

Alloa, one point from six.

Cowden, one point from six.

Forfar, guessing over half the points lost and all lost away from home? I think we won once up there.

Morton, zero points from six.

Yet in all these games we mostly lost poor goals down to bad marking or poor team selection.

I think with someone decent in we would turn around zero or one points into about ten.

With a bit of instruction we could have drawn at Morton, won at EEP against morton and beaten forfar at home.

That's a ten point swing. We would be coasting it.

Sorry not convinced until we beat morton, forfar and the like consistently, we are behind their standard atm.

Might as well give up and go home if that c***s right

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We've not played well many times at all, have a more settled squad and we're three points off top spot. Don't think it's much of a statement to say we'd be top of the league with a better man in charge.

Results against other top four teams:

Morton 12 points from possible 15

Forfar 8 Points from possible 15

Dunfermline 4 points from possible 15

Stranraer 2 points from possible 12

Because Dunfermline are only 3 points off the top, it shows that they have taken points consistently against lower opposition but they have not performed well against the better teams. Morton, on the other hand have dropped silly points against teams you would have expected them to beat. Morton's position is probably reflective of a young team having to gel together and finding best formations etc. Dunfermline's is more indicative a team at the right level in the league.

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Results against other top four teams:

Morton 12 points from possible 15

Forfar 8 Points from possible 15

Dunfermline 4 points from possible 15

Stranraer 2 points from possible 12

Because Dunfermline are only 3 points off the top, it shows that they have taken points consistently against lower opposition but they have not performed well against the better teams. Morton, on the other hand have dropped silly points against teams you would have expected them to beat. Morton's position is probably reflective of a young team having to gel together and finding best formations etc. Dunfermline's is more indicative a team at the right level in the league.

thats a completely made up statement with no basis whatsoever.
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thats a completely made up statement with no basis whatsoever.

Its reflective of the fact that Dunfermline consistently beat teams in the lower half f the league but can't beat the better teams. From that perspective, their league position seems right.

I accept there is a large degree of speculation in there as to why Morton can beat Forfar, Dunfermline and Stranraer but can't beat Ayr. That is less clear but suggesting that as a new squad it has taken time to find the best system and positions for the players we have as well as the squad getting to know each other is at least a strong possibility.

I am not saying Dunfermline will not improve merely how things seem up to now.

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Playing a part time team, cruising yet somehow can't hold on once again.

Equalising goals from a set play.

ORLY?

Didn't see that coming.

Get him out before the transfer window.

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Theme of the Jefferies era. Would like to think Bob Garmory might've got a word in with Aitken after the match to replace that tit.

Losing a 2-0 lead in the last ten minutes and your manager, who's there to rally the team and be the one you look up to, getting sent to the stand isn't acceptable. This isn't just after this game, no, this has genuinely been the tale of the Jefferies age, hopefully a comet comes and wipes it out soon.

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