H_B Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Having read the BBC article, the best she seems to be able to come up with is to point to what other random countries around the world do. What relevance that has for us, she doesn't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkston5 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Having read the BBC article, the best she seems to be able to come up with is to point to what other random countries around the world do. What relevance that has for us, she doesn't say. Her soon to be ex boss did the same regarding getting shut of Nuclear weapons while retaining NATO membership. He thought about what he said though. I hope she just imitates everything he did without thought. It is of great comedic value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthEnclosure Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 So if Scotland, England and NI vote to leave, and Wales votes to stay, we stay. Is that her idea, she must actually be dafter than she looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 So if Scotland, England and NI vote to leave, and Wales votes to stay, we stay. Is that her idea, she must actually be dafter than she looks. Yeah, and it's not daft - the veto itself is unworkable of course, it'd be pretty undemocratic if England with 90 odd percent of the population votes to go, only to be held back by the majority of the other 10%, but it's not really about the veto, is it. It's about grounds for action should there be a referendum on EU membership, should the UK vote to leave but Scotland voting to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yeah, and it's not daft - the veto itself is unworkable of course, it'd be pretty undemocratic if England with 90 odd percent of the population votes to go, only to be held back by the majority of the other 10%, but it's not really about the veto, is it. It's about grounds for action should there be a referendum on EU membership, should the UK vote to leave but Scotland voting to stay. Exactly. That's the only reason she has done this. If the situation arises and we are unwillingly pulled out of Europe there will be and 2nd Indy ref quick style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 It's about grounds for action should there be a referendum on EU membership, should the UK vote to leave but Scotland voting to stay. Having done a bit more digging (The BBC article is awful) it's actually not about that. It's sabre rattling and her attempt to appease the clown collective types, who are going to get a nasty surprise when the next manifesto completely ignores a new referendum. By proposing an amendment (which will be laughed at) it's just about puffing up the moron contingent. This isn't anything to do with legality. It's a political move. One which will obviously fail, but which the moron element will say "She's fighting oor corner" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 will be and 2nd Indy ref quick style. No there won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Having done a bit more digging (The BBC article is awful) it's actually not about that. It's sabre rattling and her attempt to appease the clown collective types, who are going to get a nasty surprise when the next manifesto completely ignores a new referendum. By proposing an amendment (which will be laughed at) it's just about puffing up the moron contingent. This isn't anything to do with legality. It's a political move. One which will obviously fail, but which the moron element will say "She's fighting oor corner" I never said it was anything to do with legality, of course it's political and of course it won't be stood for, as I said above. It is about being able to say in three years, in the unlikely event of an EU ref where England want sout and Scotland wants to stay, that hell, we tried, we don't want this, this family of nations is no longer united etc - let's have another indy ref! It's trolling, but it's quite good trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 It's trolling, but it's quite good trolling. Yeah, it can't do her any harm. She's obviously trying to put down a marker. She has to be careful though - being laughed at by a section of the Scottish voting constintuency for stunts like this isn't great. It has a hint of Farage about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yeah, and it's not daft - the veto itself is unworkable of course, it'd be pretty undemocratic if England with 90 odd percent of the population votes to go, only to be held back by the majority of the other 10%, but it's not really about the veto, is it. It's about grounds for action should there be a referendum on EU membership, should the UK vote to leave but Scotland voting to stay. What if Scotland is the only bit that votes to leave the EU? Will she then pull us out citing self determination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Ignoring democracy is becoming a SNP mantra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Either we're a nation of equal nations or we're England and some regions, which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Either we're a nation of equal nations or we're England and some regions, which is it? Neither. We are the UK. We joined the (then) EEC as the UK. And if we chose to leave, it will be done in exactly the same fashion. Either you believe in democracy, or you don't. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 So if Scotland votes to leave the EU, England votes to leave, Wales votes to leave but 51% of N Ireland vote to stay Sturgeon's opinion is that the UK and Scotland stay in the EU? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 So if Scotland votes to leave the EU, England votes to leave, Wales votes to leave but 51% of N Ireland vote to stay Sturgeon's opinion is that the UK and Scotland stay in the EU? Really? Never mind THAT. Have you got your Nicola's world tour Tshirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Never mind THAT. Have you got your Nicola's world tour Tshirt? That will be the 'Team Scotland' approach we were promised by the yes camp ? or is the Edinburgh Agreement Tour merchandise ? or the 'Once in a generation Tour' tat ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Mints Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 So much deflection because the "vow" is utterly meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 So much deflection because the "vow" is utterly meaningless. The white paper commitment re once in a generation = meaningless; the Edinburgh Agreement = meaningless from an SNP perspective to be ignored if they lost but treated like an absolute if they had won narrowly; accepting the result = meaningless. But that's politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkston5 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Ignoring democracy is becoming a SNP mantra. Salmond tried this since the day he broke down in the back of the car and comfort ate for a week. "In my opinion it was a once in a lifetime opportunity". It's to ensure that they keep up the facade for the faddish imbeciles who slavishly follow them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkston5 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 The white paper commitment re once in a generation = meaningless; the Edinburgh Agreement = meaningless from an SNP perspective to be ignored if they lost but treated like an absolute if they had won narrowly; accepting the result = meaningless. But that's politics. They have to accept the terms of the agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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