Colkitto Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Its hilarious seeing the NCC actually wondering how the british state can simply ignore their whimpering. Lets face it, what just happened here last month isn't going to be repeated any time soon regardless of what happens politically. The British state are NEVER going to hand the nationalists another shot at this, and particularly not giving them absolutely everything on a plate like Cameron just has. He gambled big time on the EA, and he was proven correct. Its settled. The daft nats STILL cant understand whats just happened to them. ^^^^^^^^ Deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis pakora Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Don't be fooled into believing we were trounced. We can gain the 6% we need in 4 - 6 years. You just don't get it do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Is Reynard seriously saying that the UK government would deny the will of the Scottish people? That's exactly what he's saying. The Mother of parliaments is going to deny a peaceful democratic vote on the right of self determination. The same Mother of parliaments that sent 450 + young men and women to their deaths in Afghanistan fighting for "democracy" for that country. The UK proud of it's belief in democracy for all people has just turned into North Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You just don't get it do you? I do. You don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 That's exactly what he's saying. The Mother of parliaments is going to deny a peaceful democratic vote on the right of self determination. The same Mother of parliaments that sent 450 + young men and women to their deaths in Afghanistan fighting for "democracy" for that country. The UK proud of it's belief in democracy for all people has just turned into North Korea. You just had it. Youre leadership also signed the EA which means its now off the agenda. This is why, Sturgeon will not have any commitment to a referendum in their manifesto. This is why she was wriggling away when interviewed last night. She has a loony left membership to try and appease, and she isn't going to find that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis pakora Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You really have to stand back and take in the sheer arrogance of those who support the London based parties. The colonial mindset of thinking they can still tell us what to do. Those days are long, long gone and if Scotland and her people want to have another referendum then no one, but no one, will stop us! That's it comrade you tell the people what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You just had it. Youre leadership also signed the EA which means its now off the agenda. This is why, Sturgeon will not have any commitment to a referendum in their manifesto. This is why she was wriggling away when interviewed last night. She has a loony left membership to try and appease, and she isn't going to find that easy. You must have a different version of the EA from the one that I've seen. Where does it say in your version that there shall never be another referendum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 That's it comrade you tell the people what they want. ^^^^^^^ Doesn't understand how democracy works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 ^^^^^^^^ Deluded. That would have more weight if it didn't come from someone who thinks the next SNP manifesto for Holyrood is going to have a commitment to hold another referendum if elected That's absolutely bonkers levels of delusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You must have a different version of the EA from the one that I've seen. Where does it say in your version that there shall never be another referendum? Point 30 shows you all you need to know. This isn't the EU where we carry on having referendums until the nationalists get the result they are hoping for. The result is totally binding and the Scottish government has accepted that it will respect this outcome. The British state certainly will, and would have in the unlikely event of a narrow yes win. When no commitment to a further referendum appears in the next SNP manifestos you might grasp that point. But given your level of failure to comprehend whats just happened, its likely that even THIS will pass you by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 That would have more weight if it didn't come from someone who thinks the next SNP manifesto for Holyrood is going to have a commitment to hold another referendum if elected That's absolutely bonkers levels of delusion It will be funny watching Sturgeon wriggle about as she is pressed on this at conference next month. She will be working hard to make it as ambiguous as she possibly can for those few days but the reality is that there will be no referendum commitment in the SNP manifesto for the GE or the next Holyrood election. Thats going to be where her difficulties begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 It will be funny watching Sturgeon wriggle about as she is pressed on this at conference next month. She will be working hard to make it as ambiguous as she possibly can for those few days but the reality is that there will be no referendum commitment in the SNP manifesto for the GE or the next Holyrood election. Thats going to be where her difficulties begin. They will need to invest in extra thick carpets to absorb the slack-jawed drool from the "45" when they get told that the SNP have no intention whatsoever of pushing for another referendum in the next parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 They will need to invest in extra thick carpets to absorb the slack-jawed drool from the "45" when they get told that the SNP have no intention whatsoever of pushing for another referendum in the next parliament. I'm sure the leadership will do absolutely all they can to avoid being lynched at conference. It will simply be dropped when its published in the spring or whenever. There will be enough ambiguity at conference to satisfy the happy clappers of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'm sure the leadership will do absolutely all they can to avoid being lynched at conference. It will simply be dropped when its published in the spring or whenever. There will be enough ambiguity at conference to satisfy the happy clappers of course. She's already setting the scene with the EU rubbish. My money will be on her pushing for a new one if the UK votes to leave the EU. Knowing of course that there is no chance of this happening. That might be enough to keep the scheme goblin direct debits from bouncing for a month or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 She's already setting the scene with the EU rubbish. My money will be on her pushing for a new one if the UK votes to leave the EU. Knowing of course that there is no chance of this happening. That might be enough to keep the scheme goblin direct debits from bouncing for a month or two. That seems like the obvious route out for her. Should buy her some time. Well, about a year until the Holyrood elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 That seems like the obvious route out for her. Should buy her some time. Well, about a year until the Holyrood elections. And of course by then they will be too far down the road to include a referendum in the manifesto.... which she will of course regret and vow to address the next time. The SNP/Yes types are incredible stupid and gullible. Should be easy enough to spin them any sort of "look, squirrel" type line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Point 30 shows you all you need to know. This isn't the EU where we carry on having referendums until the nationalists get the result they are hoping for. The result is totally binding and the Scottish government has accepted that it will respect this outcome. The British state certainly will, and would have in the unlikely event of a narrow yes win. When no commitment to a further referendum appears in the next SNP manifestos you might grasp that point. But given your level of failure to comprehend whats just happened, its likely that even THIS will pass you by. The London based parties don't make the rules anymore I'm afraid. If we wish to have another referendum that's exactly what we'll have! The result is being respected and accepted by the Scottish government. But it isn't binding forever more regardless of how many nightmares it gives you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 And of course by then they will be too far down the road to include a referendum in the manifesto.... which she will of course regret and vow to address the next time. The SNP/Yes types are incredible stupid and gullible. Should be easy enough to spin them any sort of "look, squirrel" type line. A bit like cast iron Daves promises to hold a referendum on the EU during this parliament. Waiting for treaty change. Waiting for "significant" transfer of powers to Brussels. Enough to appease most of the tory happy clappers etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The London based parties don't make the rules anymore I'm afraid. If we wish to have another referendum that's exactly what we'll have! The result is being respected and accepted by the Scottish government. But it isn't binding forever more regardless of how many nightmares it gives you. I'm afraid that its a reserved matter. It will ALWAYS be a reserved matter. Its not the gift of Holyrood to give unfortunately for you. For it to be made legal you'll need the blessing of the UK parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 If and when a majority of the Scottish people consistently want independence it will happen. Simple as that. No matter how much you cling onto your Edinburgh Agreement comfort blanket. I don't think there will be a call for another referendum in the next SNP manifesto, but the independence movement is still growing and is the most politically active section of Scottish society, so it will not go away. Scottish independence looks increasingly like a matter of when and not if, and no amount of trolling will change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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