Ivo den Bieman Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 that's frankly complacent. Far right euro-nationalism is on the rise across Europe and frankly that attitude "bah, they'll go away" is a big part of how they got to where they are today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Far Right Nationalism has been on the rise and fall since the 1800s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 that's frankly complacent. Far right euro-nationalism is on the rise across Europe and frankly that attitude "bah, they'll go away" is a big part of how they got to where they are today. Many European countries have had authoritarian governments, Communist or Fascist, in the last 70 years. Racism and anti-semitism are still common in parts of Eastern Europe. Britain, by contrast, has been a model of democratic stability. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry O'Driscoll Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Far right party gets a few councillors or other minor successes, the media talks them up with lots of concern that they're about to take over Britain, success in the Euro elections, anti-climactic General Election performance, in-fighting and implosion. Once UKIP fade into absolute obscurity, something else will pop up and go through the whole process yet again. I've always wondered why the far right gets a disproportionate anount of media coverage compared to left wing parties like Greens, Solidarity, SSP who have all outperformed the far right in elections. Is it because they fear the rise of the far right more than the left or do they actually sympathise with their viewpoints? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've always wondered why the far right gets a disproportionate anount of media coverage compared to left wing parties like Greens, Solidarity, SSP who have all outperformed the far right in elections. Is it because they fear the rise of the far right more than the left or do they actually sympathise with their viewpoints? I think that the liberal democratic (small l, small d) consensus in this country is reflected by the media, and is vaguely shocked by parties who point out sections of our society who they think should be discriminated against. The leftish "radical" parties generally don't. Stirring up popular hatred gets votes, that's why it's a bit scary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The only two far righters i found truly sinister were those two brothers that fronted the Guiness Book of Records. Think some terrorist group murdered one of them. The one surviving brother became a mate of the late Roy Castle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) that's frankly complacent. Far right euro-nationalism is on the rise across Europe and frankly that attitude "bah, they'll go away" is a big part of how they got to where they are today. Our fptp system works against them, as does the French system of would you like to have another think about that. Edited December 18, 2015 by Jacksgranda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Our fptp system works against them, as does the French system of would you like to have another think about that. Truth was Ukip didn't get enough votes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The only two far righters i found truly sinister were those two brothers that fronted the Guiness Book of Records. Think some terrorist group murdered one of them. The one surviving brother became a mate of the late Roy Castle. The McWhirter twins founded, as well as "fronted", the Guinness Book of Records. Ross was murdered by the Provisional IRA in the 70s. There have been much more sinister far righters than them - especially in the National Front, the BNP and the various splinter parties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) The McWhirter twins founded, as well as "fronted", the Guinness Book of Records. Ross was murdered by the Provisional IRA in the 70s. There have been much more sinister far righters than them - especially in the National Front, the BNP and the various splinter parties. The difference between the BNP/NF etc were no more than brown shirt window smashers that were highly infiltrated by the state. The brothers Grimm were sneaking about with others in the British establishment talking about taking out the Wilson government. Edited December 18, 2015 by Glenconner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've always wondered why the far right gets a disproportionate anount of media coverage compared to left wing parties like Greens, Solidarity, SSP who have all outperformed the far right in elections. Is it because they fear the rise of the far right more than the left or do they actually sympathise with their viewpoints? In what way have the "far left" (I don't count the Greens as part of the far left) 'outperformed' the far right since, well, the turn of the century? The reality is that the BNP and UKIP are way ahead of Solidarity/ the SSP / TUSC during that period, electorally. 2 MEPs and coming ithing a whisker of running a London council, a member of the London assembly, umpteen councillors across England. Even in the period now, where the far right are strugglign to get electoed, their share of the vote is miles ahead of whatever the far left can muster. your premise is completely false. The flames are fanned by a populist tabloid media but that is a symptom of the rise of the far right, rather than the cause. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 In what way have the "far left" (I don't count the Greens as part of the far left) 'outperformed' the far right since, well, the turn of the century? The reality is that the BNP and UKIP are way ahead of Solidarity/ the SSP / TUSC during that period, electorally. 2 MEPs and coming ithing a whisker of running a London council, a member of the London assembly, umpteen councillors across England. Even in the period now, where the far right are strugglign to get electoed, their share of the vote is miles ahead of whatever the far left can muster. your premise is completely false. The flames are fanned by a populist tabloid media but that is a symptom of the rise of the far right, rather than the cause. Other than the 1 Ukip MEP in Scotland elected with 24/7 BBC coverage, what else have the far right done in Scotland. The Ukip went from their high in the Euro elections back to joke figures in May. Their entire 4/5 million votes in May were in England/Wales. Scottish Ukip vote May 2015 election 47,000. That wouldn't be enough to get them a seat in the Edinburgh Parliament if scattered across Scotland plus no doubt with an going Uber Unionist stop the SNP campaign. Most far rightists will probably vote Labour in Scotland going by they post on their websites. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I was referring to the UK, not Scotland alone. Scotland does have a proud record of not tolerating fascists, never mind voting for them; thinking back to the far right being given a severe doing on more than one occasion in Glasgow in the 90s, and Griffin being chased from the city when he tried to exploit the murder of Kriss Donald more recently. It was a different story in places like Burnley, Dagenham, the West Midlands, parts of Essex and Kent, not so long ago. Moreoever even when failing to be elected the far right have regularly polled over 20% in local elections there, with the ultra left returning a derisory less than 2% in most of these cases. in the present time UKIP's opportunist strategy of trying to ensconse themselves as a left-alternative tio Labour in former indistrial northern seats, whilst being foaming at the mouth Thatcherites in the Home Counties, has seen them polling bigger numbers than anyone would have imagined a few years ago. Four million votes last May is a pretty major slice of electoral opinion. Hence my argument that it is complacent and foolish to dismiss the presence of far right parties on the electoral landscape, as a passing fad which will blow over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I was referring to the UK, not Scotland alone. Scotland does have a proud record of not tolerating fascists, never mind voting for them; thinking back to the far right being given a severe doing on more than one occasion in Glasgow in the 90s, and Griffin being chased from the city when he tried to exploit the murder of Kriss Donald more recently. It was a different story in places like Burnley, Dagenham, the West Midlands, parts of Essex and Kent, not so long ago. Moreoever even when failing to be elected the far right have regularly polled over 20% in local elections there, with the ultra left returning a derisory less than 2% in most of these cases. in the present time UKIP's opportunist strategy of trying to ensconse themselves as a left-alternative tio Labour in former indistrial northern seats, whilst being foaming at the mouth Thatcherites in the Home Counties, has seen them polling bigger numbers than anyone would have imagined a few years ago. Four million votes last May is a pretty major slice of electoral opinion. Hence my argument that it is complacent and foolish to dismiss the presence of far right parties on the electoral landscape, as a passing fad which will blow over. I'd say there wasn't much in it between most rightwingers and most Vichy sorry No voters in Scotland. Seriously Jim Murphy Labour man. Aye right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 The chairman of Scottish UKIP, the wonderfully named Arthur Misty Thackeray, has stood down after being arrested and accused of making "sexual phone calls". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 The chairman of Scottish UKIP, the wonderfully named Arthur Misty Thackeray, has stood down after being arrested and accused of making "sexual phone calls". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35453914 Beast 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Just saw that. He's not the first beast to be outed in Ukip apparently. Never mind that, we should all be scared of gay marriage causing gay weather problems... http://news.stv.tv/west-central/1341034-ukips-scottish-chairman-resigns-after-court-appearance-for-sex-calls/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 The chairman of Scottish UKIP, the wonderfully named Arthur Misty Thackeray, has stood down after being arrested and accused of making "sexual phone calls". The best news i've heard so far this year. Luv it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 The chairman of Scottish UKIP, the wonderfully named Arthur Misty Thackeray, has stood down after being arrested and accused of tmaking "sexual phone calls". Good. A somewhat unpleasant individual who made his crust from the more unpleasant side of the "security trade" & was a director of a firm that employed a 15 year old boy as a security guard who was killed on his first night of work. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12077372.Blast_killed_security_youth_Teenager_who_refused_to_attend_school_died_on_first_day_at_work/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 A UKIP spokesman said that it would be inappropriate to comment on an active police enquiry. He then said "Oh baby, you make me so hot... what are you wearing?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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